Liberal Democrats are misplaying their hand. They tried to shove with a high card and everyone is calling their bet. They also pretty much have lost the rural vote even more because all we talk about are urban problems. They have also lost much of the gain from suburban women by telling them that the life they have is based on the backs of slavery and the working class and they were born guilty of the sins of their ancestors because of the color of their skin. Democrats should have focused on Infrastructure and healthcare which helps almost everyone.
That's not what Joe said at all he was talking about progressives, not the Democratic party. And woke culture is a huge drag on the Democratic party even though it has kind of died off.
The need to stop tying it to the infrastructure bill for one thing that should have been passed a long time ago. I don't mind the debate on the other bill but I think it was way too big, to begin with.
So I was talking about the perspective of the suburban non-college mom who is just trying to get her kids to school. If I'm putting myself in her shoes, I myself see how the American psyche is effected in a way that is just destroying the Democratic party in so many ways. Democrats rely on swing voters. Those voters would agree with them, but the problem is the forms of information coming at them in the ways they come at them. And honestly I don't even know what the hell Joe was talking about because he was kind of ranting which is what it is. It's not MSNBC's job to be a propaganda outlet for the Democratic party, but the problem with swing voters is when they do tune in the MSNBC they think it is because it's all that's really accessible... and that's even if their cable or streaming package even carries it when we all know it always will carry FoxNews and CNN. I really don't know man. It's an information intake problem, and I can't say I blame the low information swing voters that much. They are just doing the best they can, and their focus in life just isn't in politics. (on the point about the Progressive caucus.... my point is the suburban white mom doesn't even care to know the difference. Progressive vs Problem Solvers Caucus... that's all lost on her, and I truly believe shes living in more generalities and sees a foggy political haze)
There is a simple explanation for last night. Democrats ran a bland retread in Virginia and the spike in inflation and inventories being low heading into Christmas and GAS PRICES. They have a real chance to reverse the trend of losing in 2012 if gas prices and inflation come down and the supply chain gets back to normal.
Honestly do you think swing voters would even know about the BIFF bill by now if it passed months ago? Would Sweater vest guys ads have been about how terrible the BIFF was and how he's going to work on a Republican answer to the BIFF??? I don't think Sweater Vest guy would have even spent a dime in advertising on it, and would have still stuck with CRT which would still be the big cultural issue that is turning out their base in droves. Passing Bills is the day job of Democrats for sure, but I think in general more and more that they have to take a stand on culture even if it has nothing to do with legislation. From AOC to Kamala Harris... they need to be getting in the media that people actually consume. They need to be on Joe Rogan's podcast talking with a clear position. They need to be talking about music and movies on social media. Get on ESPN to talk about how terrible the Lakers are... anything to become culturally relevant, and not seen as the wizard behind the curtains orchestrating woke culture. The more they are just fighting with Joe Manchin about means testing in the Reconciliation bill and 3.5 trillion vs 1.5 trillion etc.... the more airspace that the right wing cultural media influence has a chance to cast the Democratic party as the wizard behind the curtains controlling CRT, and other culture war issues.
Seems you have an issue with Joe but he is right more times than not and he knows what clicks in the mind of persuadable republicans. The ones that voted for Biden of Trump. Democrats could do worse than taking advice from Joe and while they are at it listen to Michale Steele. The bolded is most voters not just suburban ones.
Sweater vest guy has been standing on the table for them Dems to pass the infrastructure bill for about a month so he could run on it so you are dead wrong about that. Is Kamala still alive? Democrats need to nip stuff like CRT in the bud and stop ignoring them. I am actually glad that Manchin has held the line and kept Democrats from overreaching, Sinema can go to hell. I don't think AOC can relay that message she has to cater to progressives.
Well off the bat - free college, health care and welfare to immigrants. As if we don't have an immigration problem already. Which in addition lets amnesty those who failed to show up to be deported. I mean why would they show up? it goes to show that it's only the dummies that did show up. But you really think it's a good idea to spend 3.5 trillion when we're already spending more than we take in? Do you do this in your business or household - spend more than you make for any considerable length of time? Infrastructure - it's about roads and bridges. I think we can all agree that it's needed. But instead of stopping there, they are slipping in 2+ trillion in spending when we don't have the money is crazy. Well now it's been stripped down to an additional 900billion but the "progressives" aren't happy with that. And yes we need to jack the taxes on corps and wealthy - but use it to pay down the debt. Once you pay down the debt, you can begin spending more for nice to have programs instead of spending it on the interest payments which are growing fast. People don't get that one day in the not so distant future - payday will come for all this spending - dem and rep.
No problem personally with him. My point was about the mindset of a low information swing voter who doesn’t watch him regularly. Actually Joe’s point makes my point for me in why Virginia voters swung back so hard. In explaining what is happening which I obviously agree with, he just reinforced to his viewers though that it is “the Democrats” pushing the cultural issues. So right or wrong (all Dems are to blame) doesn’t really matter because to Joe’s point… obviously swing voters do believe ALL of them are the wizards behind the curtain of culture issues like CRT. Blaming progressives only is sort of silly because it doesn’t matter. They are all getting the same sh$t thrown at them from inside the cage.
The only thing I am blaming progressive for is holding up the infrastructure bill and overreaching on the BBB with astronomical initial figures. Biden nor progressives were voted in on mandates there is no reason these bills have not been passed on so congress can focus on other things. This should be a wake call for all democrats and I am not blaming progressives for everything that happened last night but I don't like how they have held the infrastructure bill hostage. This should be a wake-up call to all Democrats and luckily they have an entire year before the midterms.
Yougkin just showed how Republicans can de-couple from that albatross w the Orange hair , if this thin margin is a THUMBING, how'd you describe the ass-whipping Biden gave Trump, a winning margin of ~ 8 million votes, the largest ever in US history?
I just don't think swing voters really know or care about the two bills and progressive vs problem solvers caucus etc. It's all background fog, and they don't understand the sausage making process, and I don't blame them. Who is to blame for the bills passing, their size, etc. doesn't really matter to why the Dems will or will not hold Congress in 2022, and win in 2024. They need to find a way as a whole group to get BBB through the door and then get the hell out there. I just heard Mark Pocane in an interview say that they are too busy fighting inside the house about what candy to put in the bowl instead of being at the front door actually giving the candy to kids, and asking them what fun costumes they have on. The more the party is going back and forth on this bill, the less time they have to actually be connecting with people on these cultural issues which is obviously what swing voters are voting on in large part. It won't be hard after BBB is passed to work that into the larger cultural conversations that they need to be a part of instead of letting Facebook, TicTok, and FoxNews blaring at the doctors office in the background, define them to those low information voters. Sometimes it's just as simple as people generally liking and trusting you. You have to have a relationship with people and talk to them at their level to get them to like you and trust you. What I've learned from more than a decade in professional sales is simply asking people questions is 90% of selling. People like you when you are present, and you are interested in what they care about. Sorry I'm ranting a bit today here so I'll just leave it there.
A sobering reality hits Democrats after Tuesday’s elections losses https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...6e988e-3ca5-11ec-a493-51b0252dea0c_story.html excerpt: It is always the case that too much can be read into the results of these off-year elections. Maybe it was just the patterns of history in Virginia, which for decades has seen the party that holds the White House lose the governorship. McAuliffe in 2013 was the lone exception. Similarly, New Jersey’s Democratic Gov. Phil Murphy, who defeated Republican Jack Ciattarelli, faced a history of incumbent Democrats struggling to win a second term. But Democrats would be foolhardy to underestimate what happened Tuesday. To lose a state like Virginia, which has been trending Democratic for a decade, and to struggle so much in New Jersey suggests that, unless things change, only the bluest of states or districts are likely to be safe in 2022.
They might not care but they are turned off by the gridlock and gov not looking like they care about inflation even if they can't do much. Also once gas prices start going up they need someone to blame even if nobody has control over it. Not a conspiracy guy but I am starting to wonder if the inventory thing is a long-range plan to get Republicans back in because it's not making a lot of sense why things are still terrible.
