Why would a nationalized health care system have to be an extension of Medicare and Medicaid? I agree that those programs suck. With all of the ingenuity that exists in the US, you would think that we could get some of the great minds to look at all of the systems that exist in the world and put something together that made sense.
As far as the administrative costs do you honestly think the government can do it for cheaper? Thats a riot, have you ever dealt with the bureaucracy known as the federal government? And good luck getting any customer service from them if you should have questions or a problem...PASS
What makes sense to me is what has made since this country was founded. Free markets, choice and liberty. I believe in the American Way. Let's truly the gov out as much as possible and let the system heal itself. Government invention just raises costs and opens the door the madness we are seeing now.
I think at the end of the day I could choose to have and pay for medical coverage in one country and in another country I would be forced to have and pay for it.
I agree. We should never, ever change with the times. I say we abolish the post office, all fire and police departments, all highways and roads, and all public schools. We shouldn't have government intervention in as much as possible. Oh, and don't forget electricity. We didn't have electricity when the country was founded either. I swear to God that every time I hear one of you dildos spout off about freedom and liberty that I want to hang myself.
Yes. The government does do it cheaper. It does it cheaper here. It does it cheaper abroad. Go back to page one and read the thread, genius - what part of "we pay higher administrative costs than any other country" do you not understand?
Ok, you win. I can see where people would want the choice to be health or sick. There is no way I can argue with that logic.
Say you start to pay for your own medical coverage on Day 1, then you get seriously sick on Day 2 (for the sake of argument you honestly didn't know that you would be so sick any time soon when you decided to get yourself covered on Day 1). Your medical expense would be several orders more expensive than you had paid out of your own pocket. Would it be fair, based on your arguments thus far, that you should be let drop dead if you can't afford to pick up the rest of your medical bills?
I'm all for abolishing the public schools. They are a joke. I wholeheartedly support the separation of school and state. I'm glad you agree. And it's usually the liberals the complain about the government police departments that they want taxes to fund. Why is that? The government built all the auto roads that have a monopoly on transportation and that caused the pollution that liberals now want the same government to end. Freedom and liberty usually do piss off the socialists. I understand. But if you hang yourself please do it correctly. I really don't want my money taken to pay for your mistake.
Of course government is not needed. Financial sector should be completedly left alone to do whatever it wants to do. Same with food industries, the manufacturing industry, etc. We all know all these companies are so great at regulating themsleves. There is such thing as a 100% free marekt in this world!
Holy crap, I'm laughing hysterically. I hope you've enjoyed being politically marginalized for your entire adult life. I would say that 99.9% of Americans would not give up their roads in the name of "freedom." Granted, those pesky traffic lights really impede my independence and I do feel like peeling off the road and driving straight into a post office to make them pay for their audacity of delivering my mail every now and then.
So what conditions under our current system are people denied medical attention if they cannot pay? Heart attack? No Stroke? No TB? No Any life threatning acute illness? No
I never paid for the crappy medical coverage as an undergrad except for one year. Worst 500 bucks I ever blew.
Unless you are dead broke anyway, How much do you think you have to pay say if you fall down stairs and need brain surgery if you don't have insurance or too little insurance?
And then the government often ends up paying for these problems anyway because they require emergency room visits. Where, if healthcare were more affordable, the much-cheaper cost of preventative medicine could stave off many of these problems, resulting in less expensive care over the long run, and in healthier people. Poor, lower middle-class, and some middle-class people just can't afford regular check ups and testing that would limit the number of emergency room visits for preventable illnesses, and that would lessen the severity of attacks when they occur. I really don't think there's a rational reason for opposing socialized medicine. If you point to the problems in other countries, first you need to balance that against the problems we already have, and also you need to consider how we can improve upon the systems that already exist (we've seen their mistakes and we can learn from them). Otherwise, the resistance is purely ideological - this erroneous idea that the free market will somehow make things equitable, or that those with more money have proved that they deserve healthcare more than others, and so on. I don't understand the opposition to socialized medicine - all the arguments against it are deeply flawed and strike me more as a desperate need to maintain the status quo than any real conviction that our current system is working well.
Total crap. Prevention of stroke and heart attack are mostly lifestyle choices. Sure you can load up on lipitor but we could make that cheaper without doing anything to our medical system.
And lots of people suffer heart attack and stroke form lifestyle choices (genetics plays a large role as well) - so what determines who will suffer most for their lifestyle choices? Could you spell out what your resistance to socialized medicine is?
I don't think anyone is against lower health care costs. I just think government involvement health care is what causes the high costs. Speaking of lifestyle, will the government have more incentive to dictate lifestyle with socialized medicine?
What determines who will suffer the most from lifestyle choices? I dunno man God, Karma what does that matter.
Not really. Unless the person is getting their blood pressure checked and educated on what lifestyle changes to make, as well as possible medicine; they can't do that without affordable healthcare.
