The solution to the problematic post-up entry pass

This sounds like a good strategy to get Yao the ball without two guys on him. His hands are better than he gets credit for even while in motion. Can some one please shoot a copy of this thread to JVG before 3 more years pass.

 

No Reggies is right on the money with this one. I don't care if you're a 6 foot guard the technique is the same. Use your body weight and arms to pin the defender behind you. Yao's big, heavy, and long and there's no way defenders should be coming around him if he puts his weight on the defender not even Shaq. Reggie understands this perfectly.

 

How about simply teaching Yao some fundamentals like meeting the pass?

And yeah, cutting and motion would work a lot better for yao bc of his high center of gravity

 

Y'all still don't understand. He doesn't have problems holding his position against non-fronting defenders. When a smaller/quicker defender is able to just run around your big, slow body and get back in front, no amount of 7'6" and 300 lbs will be able to help you.

Yao might be 310 pounds, but he's by no means considered "strong" or "stocky." The 7'6" offsets the 310 lbs and you're left with someone with poor balance. There's no way he can get a defender behind him and keep him there forever if they want to get back in front. People need to stop thinking that Yao's immense height gives him an advantage in things like rebounding and establishing position. It screws with his balance a lot.

How does Shaq deal with fronting? First of all, Shaq is insanely quick for a man of his size. Moreover, he is thicker and stockier than Yao. Lastly, if you see offenses that run through Shaq...there are a lot of quick passes along the perimeter and back in. In other words, Shaq is able to deal with a front defender because the BALL moves faster than the defender. The person attempting the entry pass quickly passes to another person on the wing, who then makes the entry pass. The fronting defender doesn't have enough time to adjust his position to the new entry-passer.

 

Then Yao pop some outside shots now and then, it should easily solve that.

 

Yes, yes - you need more than 1 guy to get the ball in. If you have 2 guys and your post you get passing angles that form a triangle. It can be a triangle low or high post, doesn't matter. It matters that the ball can move faster than the defender, so the two players feeding the post can move the ball until they get the better angle. Now, Yao is actually strong enough to split the double and shoot over two defenders, and really ought to force things sometimes. But, he can also take the fact that he drew double coverage and fire back to an open player. That is, if that open player can make shots . Put Head and Barry in triangle with Yao, let Tmac and Swift play two-man game on the other side with the ball-reversal option.

 

If Yao's defender isn't way out there with him, then throw Yao the .... ball and let him can the jumper. It's really pretty simple. Pick your poison.

 

This is right on the money. Yao likes to cheat toward the basket, this causes him to move away from the pass instead of meeting it.

 

If Yao is fronted, he needs to learn the lob dunk....you can't guard that.......throw it up at the rim and let that 7'6" mammoth go get the ball and hammer it home.

DD

 

I think that Yao should just waive T-Mac off and just dribble the ball up the court himself........PROBLEM SOVLED!

 

This only looks good on the drawing board, like many other sets the Rockets have tried. Every team knows other's sets and tricks, it all comes down to the execution.

When you try to set a pick for any post player across the lane, the picker's defender is required/taught to bump the player (Yao in this case) to slow down his movement, which will give enough time for the other defender to recover. With Yao's foot speed, it doesn't take long for his defender to get around the pick.

Yao has been doing a fairly good to hold the position, yeh, he could done better, but his biggest problem is his hands strength, where he couldn't hold the DAMN ball, and he wouldn't use his elbow to protect the ball. The most important part to start the post offense is to have a good passer. Shaq had Kobe, Holly, Fox, and all of them could pop up treys to keep the defender honest, and they were all tall enough to through the ball over the defender's head to Shaq. The Rockets have TMac, that's the end of the story.

The way I'm looking at the Rockets is that we need to maximize Yao's interior game to be able to compete with the good teams, e.g., the Spurs, the Pistons; to max Yao's inside game, we need to have someone else other than TMac to make the TIMELY entry pass to Yao when he has the position. I still have high hope for Alston because he has the passing skill and the penetration thread to draw defender's attention. If Alston doesn't work out, I hope Luther can develop into that role. Head has the shooting and penetration, but he lacks a PG's court version right now, and I'm not sure if that's something one can develop in this league, -- I always believe PG skill is something you either have it, or don't.

 

Sometimes Yao keeps moving when he's fronted. It makes the lob pass difficult. He needs to do a better job at sealing the defender. On the other hand, when Yao seals the defender, the post entry passer was too frequently hesitant, or simply dribbles away. Yao showed he can catch the lob pass even when he's sandwiched. Post entry via lob pass is something Yao and teammates need to practice more, along with other ways suggested.

 

I hate to say it but Yao needs to learn how to flop. When his defender leans on him in the post and tries to go around him as the entry pass comes in to knock it out of his hands, Yao needs to just take a freakin dive. Embarass the Bumb@$$ officials who don't call didly squat inside. More then half the time when Yao gets the ball tipped out of his hands by "smaller" "quicker" centers, he is freakin fouled.

 

The first thing we need to do is never let Ryan Bowen throw an entry pass again. First, he's terrible at it. He telegraphs his entry pass every time. But worse, he's so completely incapable of shooting the 3 that the defender doesn't have to even make a pretense of defending the perimeter.

Of our guys, only Jon Barry and McGrady really throw decent entry passes. Sura can, as well, when he's not injured.

Oddly, this was something that Nachbar did exceptionally well. When Boki left, I actually thought: "we traded our best entry passer!" Boki may have sucked in many respects, but that is a nice skill ot possess.

 

could work but i still like letting a guy get his position so he knows where the defender is when he catches it and can make moves accordingly. our guards just need to get it into him cleaner and quicker. make a damn pass fake and then zip it in....it's not rocket science but our guards make it look like it.

 

Luther starts with possession of the ball, and then:

1) Luther passes to David.
2) David passes to Tracy.
3) David sets a pick for Luther AND Stromile sets a pick for Yao.
4) Tracy hits Yao flashing across the lane (thick lines in the drawing), or popping to the free throw line (thin lines in the drawing) depending on how the defense plays him. If they don't switch on the pick, Yao should be open cutting across. If they switch and wait for Yao to simply trade places with Stro, Yao pops to the free throw line where he should have a jumper. If the jumper isn't open, Yao is now in the high post and surrounded by shooters/cutters. If the defense ran out to guard Yao, Stromile can step in and pin his man near the basket to receive the high/low pass from Yao.

I think the problem is that normally, Yao gets his screen before the entry-passer (in this case, Tracy) even has the ball. It leaves him down there for a good 1 or 2 count which allows the defense to recover/swarm.

 

Great diagram. I completely agree that we should implement this offensive scheme. I just hope Yao will be fast enough to get into position before his man breaks free of the Swift's screen.

 

So it summary it's saying someone should set a screen on yao's man while yao is trying to run and establish a solid position to recive the entery pass?.. seriousely a great idea. it's a job for howard or even someone like bowen to sacrafice themselves.

 

Great summary. only problem i see is yao may not be quick enough to recive the ball in time. once teams figure out what were doing, they'll adjust quickly and send a extra man to get in his path between him and where the entery pass should take place...