Artest fits in very well without Tmac. He just can't play well when Tmac has the ball and makes decision for him. However, we can't trade Tmac so Artest has to go.
Just a quick question...Have you ever watched the guy play? He doesnt do anything other than drive to the basket and look to score. Paying money and giving up assets for a guy that literally costs his team possesions is a really bad idea. He is literally a black hole on both ends of the floor.
i'm not blaming any individual rocket. i just know this team as a whole doesn't fit together. and i wasn't advocating trading artest. not really. i was just saying a meaningful trade needs to happen, if we're still wanting to compete this year.
are you also willing to take his "i'm here only to pad my stats" mentality? if attacking the basket doesn't pad his stats, i'm willing to bet maggette would never attack the basket my point isn't that maggette can't score 20 or get to the line, my point is his mentality to basketball is not a winning mentality...
I watch him play A LOT.... And he moves off the ball, especially across the lane for that quick dump down to him as a quick shot. He comes around screens......is he a shooter? You bet he is......and that would be his role here. Is he bad on D? He is not great but he is better than Tmac and Wafer. Zero baskets tonight in the last 4:30 of the game, and ALL missed 3 pointers, you care to ask me again? DD
if you call 18% from 3 (and taking over 2 a game, so this isn't a small sample size aka he actually takes them reguarly in games) a "shooter", then rafer alston is ray allen.
I will say this about Corey, for him taking "Bad shots" he is a career 45% shooter and is alway tops in the league in FT's attempted.
Our team rebounding is 6th in rebounding differential, 9th in opponent points. Artest is a good shooter from behind the arc, dont get me wrong, he just doesnt work within the flow of the offense and doesnt get enough respect from outside to really draw the defenders out. If he helped ball movement the way Miller could, then we would have no reason to argue.
Yeh...lets dump it down to maggette in the paint in the 4th. If we do that, what the hell do we have Yao for? And Im sorry but he can't shoot. He's an awful spot up shooter but he thinks he's good at it. Very raferesque. His only real contribution is his persistant driving to the rim. sounds like another bonzi wells to me except i dont even want to know what his contract looks like.
Acquiring a better PG won't matter, Tracy is simply the ball handler in this team. He even said he wants to be the facilitator, he will never come off screens and cut to the basket as Rip or Rudy F. It won't make a difference. It was funny to see him bring up the court while Rafer was coming up the court looking like he just lost his job.
I thought you said you watched him, it is not dumped to him, but he is CUTTING across the lane and recieves the pass for a quick up... Bonzi? Really? A guy who scores 20ppg and shoots 45%+ for his career is a Bonzi? I mean honestly, you can not like the guy that is fine.....you can not like the way he plays...again fine... But let's at least be honest, ok? Magette is a VERY talented player, and I believe on the right team he would fit in GREAT as the 3rd scorer...and the fact that he adds the one significant element that this team is missing...an attack the basket at all costs mentality makes him a great fit in my eyes. DD
Well now it comes down to why would Minnesotta want Ron? With Al Jefferson in the post Mike's range is a natural fit for them. Where like you stated Ron's lack of respect from the arc would have defenders saggin to double Al. I agree with Mike being a potentially good fit, I just don't see the Wolves giving him up. GS giving up Maggette seems more plausible.
yea i agree. the only one that should be in the paint in the 4th quarter is yao and yao alone. what we need are players who can shoot the 3 (which artest >>>>> maggette on this one), and are willing to dump it to yao and play inside/out (which artest doesn't really do, and maggette will never do either). that's the problem imo, and that's why we are sucking. if you look at how other teams play with dominant centers effectively its always inside out with others getting open looks from the center getting doubled, etc. the magic are doing it with lewis/hedo/nelson (b4 he got injured) shooting from dhoward kicking it back out to them after he gets doubled and from their record it looks like they are doing well. having a dominant big man is useless if you have selfish players who don't utilize them. that's the biggest difference between building around a big man and a wingman. you don't need a playmaker to have kobe get his shots since he'll gladly jack them himself, but you do need unselfish playmakers for dominant big men to get theirs since yao isn't going to play point center for us. our problem isn't us launching 3s with 4:30 to play, our problem is how we are launching those 3s. if it was kicking it into yao, waiting for him to get doubled (or he'll drain the shot easily with 1v1 coverage), and then kicking back out to 40% 3 point shooters, then we would've gotten the W and not be whining about how 3 point jacking sucks compared to getting to the line. i do agree that artest is a problem because he clearly doesn't dump it to yao enough, but my whole point was maggette has a even smaller chance of doing that.
Scoring numbers dont really impress me when you're on a bad team. Hell Bonzi could have averaged 20 a game if he were the go to guy. The guy can score. I don't question that. I question his ability to make the team better. Theres a HUGE difference. Theres a reason why every teeam that has him wants him coming off the bench. He is what you claim ron to be. A bad FIT. For any team. He's a bad fit because he's selfish. He just wants to score, and theres so much more to the game than that. Atleast with Ron, he is a pretty decent passer, defender, and spot up shooter. Maggette is just a glorified version of wafer with no range.
OK, we'll be completely honest then... For a guy that's supposed to be extremely "talented" (uh... read athletic a la Desmond Mason with less defense)... he's having an awfully tough time starting ahead of Kelenna Azubuike. I think it's pretty well documented that Corey Maggette is a one-dimensional, selfish player. Perennial 6th man off the bench because of his tendency to kill any team's offensive rhythm. How frustrating it must be to play with a guy who is wonderfully athletic but so boringly predictable. And despite whatever you say, I'll believe the GSW fans and my working knowledge of basketball.
speaking of which rip hamilton is probably more ideal than maggette or artest on this one. he plays solid d, hits his open shots, fights to get open, and passes the ball. he makes 8M a year or so i think and isn't the pistons looking to blow their team up (i remember reading that hamilton was unahppy there).
