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The SF debate.

Discussion in 'NBA Draft' started by TeXaSalsa, May 31, 2001.

  1. Puedlfor

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    The Clippers are the most athletic team in the NBA.

    The last time the most athletic team n the NBA won a title was the Showtime Lakers, and they fought for supremacy in the 80's against the Boston Celtics, who were not athletic. At all.

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  2. Smoke

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    When has Rudy ever taken a swingman who can't shoot?


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  3. The Cat

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    Langhi is just as athletic as Wallace??????????? Are you crazy? This dude is 19yrs old and did a one handed wind mill on the run. The only other player player that I've seen do that is Vince Carter. And what does Jamal Crawford have to do with anything? Im talking about the Rockets drafting a small forward which means Langhi won't see any action.

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME? Wallace can do a one-handed windmill??? Who cares about everything else, lets just cut Langhi from the team if this guy comes! Dan doesn't have a chance against the unstoppable one-handed windmill-- he should just retire. I mean, one handed windmill= NBA superstar, right? We definitely should've gone for Harold Miner instead of Robert Horry-- how could we pass up the monster dunks for the fundamentals? Rudy should be fired.

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    Wouldn't you like to see him and Francis have a dunk contest during practice?I know I would. Having Joe Johnson, Francis, Mobley, Wallace, and Webber would make us the most athletic team in the NBA.

    I'd rather win games...


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  4. Greg#3

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    If you haven't already, please read this:
    http://www.nbadraft.net/profiles/geraldwallace.htm

    Notice the comments on how hard he works and how he always hustles for the ball. What's not to like about this guy that can't be fixed in another 2 or 3 years of playing with Franchise and Cat??? Anything???
     
  5. Lil Francis

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    Well Said.


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  6. Greg#3

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    Thanks.

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  7. Scarface

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    Ok I haven't seen any Wallace clips so I won't comment on him but how the hell do you figure Damn Lanky is Proven? All I saw from Dan last year was that he was a child playing in a mans game. Too frail if you ask me. Hopefully during the offseason he will hit the weights for some mass. Having been his rookie year I will cut him some slack but its not like he was a high-schooler he was a college senior. I just didn't see anything in him to justify anyones claims of his skills, shot, athleticism. I watched nearly ever game last year and unless he excelled in the games I missed (unlikely) I just don't see it. Rudy has always played his rookies late in the season if they had talent, Dan did not play so that leaves me to beleive Rudy had no confidence in him.

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  8. Band Geek Mobster

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    The reason Langhi didn't get much time towards the end was because we were pretty much stuck in a playoff run until the final week in which he did get some playing time. From what I've read, it seems like his teammates and his coaches are pretty high on Langhi. The only opinions I care about are those of the Rockets. Dan's a shooter, it takes shooters time before they get into a groove and hit their shots. That's just fact, every shooter in the league needs to take shots in order to get into a rhythm. Langhi didn't get any of that until really late in the season.

    He wasn't SEC player of the year for nothing. If he does nothing for this team in the next season, then we can say Langhi sucks. I think Dan will prove to be a solid contributor off the bench for this team in this upcoming season though.

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  9. a.k.a vince

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    And if Langhi doesn't work out Wallace can step in and take a helm as the 6th man for the Rockets.

    You can never have too many talented players in this game.

    I'd rather have Wallace as my 13th guy (IR) than a Cato who will not match rebounding production of guards who play on the perimiter.

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  10. TeXaSalsa

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    argh i didnt want a wallace vs. langhi debate!

    now then which is a better fit morris? jefferson? gasol? or joe j?

    and why?

    no more dman langhi vs. wallace!!

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  11. Greg#3

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    What the h*** are you talking about aka Vince??

    I said that the guy has major ups but I don't give a flying flip if he can do a 1-handed windmill dunk or whatever you call it.

    My point was that he is very athletic and can create his own shot. Since he works very hard at his game, we have no reason to believe that he won't get better.

    I checked and Lil Francis is the one raving about his special dunk, so before you call anybody out again, you beter get your facts straight.

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    The only player I would be fine with the Rockets using the lottery pick on that is a SF is Pau Gasol. I'm buying into all of his hype presented to us by our Spanish friend boville.

    If we don't get him then I say drafting a SF is not our most pressing issue. We need size, there's no doubt about that, our interior defense sucks. We need to draft 2 big men in this draft. If anything it provides a backup plan for if we get rid of Cato and are unable to sign Dream.

    You can't have too many big men on your roster, it's like starting pitching in baseball. If we waste the lottery pick on a SF, I'll be very dissapointed. I'm much more content with a Walt/Langhi/Bullard SF combo over a Cato/Collier C combo.

    Sure these other SF's can make superdunks and run the court like zebra, but they can't make the opponent think twice about going to the hole like a 7 footer can.

    BTW great job at trying to stay on topic salsa, that's twice now that it's gone off on a tangent and I was a part of both times, congrats at never giving up on protecting your topic.

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  13. TeXaSalsa

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    thanks band geek.. i appreciate it

    i think i should start another topic "the power of the one hand wind mill dunk" then let every1 argue there

    if you asked me the best fit at SF would be jefferson. i really wouldnt mind using a pick on him especially if he works hard. i just dont feel woods/haywood is worthy of a lotto pick and we can get good big men w/ upside like johnson, dalembart, collins, etc. w/ our later picks

    joe j plays too much like a guard for me. i think morris would be a decent investment at a later pick.

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    I wouldn't mind using a lotto pick on a Woods or Haywood. I don't really buy into "not drafting someone because your too high in the draft" philosophy.

    I want 2 C's and 1 SF out of this draft. I'd prefer the SF to be the last pick because those grow on trees. This whole season the Rockets problem has been interior defense and rebounding, we don't need scorers, we need rebounders and shot blockers.

    Also if we add some more size to this team Francis and Cat won't have to crash the boards like they currenly are doing and risk injury. I miss the days when OT would grab a board and then throw the touchdown pass to a Kenny Smith. If we had someone who could be reliable in pulling down the boards this team could run any other team to death with the break.

    The thought of Cat, Mooch, and Francis releasing while our big men pull down the board and heave it down court is very exciting to me.

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  15. heypartner

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    TeXaSalsa,

    You never mentioned Zach Randolph...a taller Kenny Thomas??

    nbadraft.net has us picking him.

    Anyone want to take a stab on him.

    Can someone please describe what you've seen him do in terms of comparing him to Kenny?
     
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    I'm not high on Randolph at all. He is not that tall, chubby, and people have questioned his conditioning. He's not that athletic, but is a natural rebounder and finishes well around the basket. He wouldn't be an improvement over Kenny Thomas IMO. Also, his offensive game isn't that great. He doesn't really have a jumper outside of 10 feet, and other than that, his only offensive move is a nice baby hook shot. Not worth drafting at 13.

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  17. heypartner

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    also TexaS. You say Jefferson is showing better rotation as the season progressed. Can you tell me whether you'd call him a "wrist shooter" or an "arm shooter"?

    That is one of the things Rudy looks for. He doesn't like shooters to overly **** their arm. He looks for guys that shoot jumpers like free throws...as little arm as necessary.
     
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    oh well...the word c.o.c.k is in cuss word filter. So, how does the hangout discuss shooting guns, then.

    Can we say p***y cat??
     
  19. TeXaSalsa

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    ive seen randolph play a few games. while he definetly has some talent im positive the rockets would want him. he does have a good finish/postup game and could compliment mo taylor at times w/ no center on the floor since taylor has the ability to play out on the wing some for open Js. randolph is a bit overweight and isnt the fastest guy around. hm is he like kenny thomas? not really kenny is alot quicker, has a more finesse game, and a better outside shot. but both players have good foot work. i suppose if we feel we have no chance at cwebb which i think is very slight.. they could go for him.. but if they draft a PF at that position unfortunetly i see them taking bradley.

    haywood isnt a stretch at all at 18 btw. woods will be gone by then and might be gone at our pick too. i just think woods is too weak phyically and mentally to play in the league.

    HP

    as for jeffersons shot.. actually he doesnt use a whole lot of arm. the rotation was looking better and his wrist on the release was looking much more fluid. when i watched him shoot he went straight up w/ good rotation and not tons and tons of herky jerk arm stuff like aaron mckie does. it looked alot better.. it was looking consistent as well. now he needs to work on his midrange game. he gets to the line and gets midrange shots off sheer athleticism right now.. he will need some work on that.

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  20. heypartner

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    thx TexaS and tpl about Zach.

    TexaS you say Haywood is not a stretch at #18.

    I think one thing to consider in adjusting this thread down an interested tangent is to consider that, while we may not succeed moving up in the draft, we should have no problem moving down to almost any spot we want, considering the 3 draft picks.

    So the tangent question is:

    What position in the draft is worthy of Woods, Haywood and Bradley #14-#18? And the follow question is obviously, would you take any of those three in those 5 spots, thus foregoing taking Jefferson at #13, and getting a future pick as a kicker?

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