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The Rockets will make all their major moves before training camp. Here's why.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Raven, Jun 20, 2009.

  1. RV6

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    why wouldn't he? If houston is truly "done" with tmac like some fans claim, why baby tmac's feelings? if tmac get's pissed it won't matter because hell be gone, right? It's the fans who are driving the "trade tmac" bus, it seems like everyone forgets how much Alexander loves tmac and had his back when tmac announced his surgery and all that. Alexander isn't going to quit on the tmac experiment this easily unless a no brainer of a deal is offered..
     
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  2. Big MAK

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    Well no crap. Of course they want to have the same team all season to practice and tweek their rotation. That may or may not happen, but tell us something that we don't know.
     
  3. RV6

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    There's more to gain if tmac recovers well than there is to lose if he doesn't. Right now you'll never get equal value for him, no matter what. If he comes back and busts you still dont get equal value, but if he comes back healthy, you can definitely get equal value then...thats a much bigger turnaround in value and i think Morey realizes it and that's why he's willing to wait it out..
     
  4. jump shooter

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    The insurance clause in Tracy's contract probably makes him one of the most valuable trading pieces in this tough economic environment in the NBA right now. I dont think his value will be any higher than what it currently is and his value is not about how good a player he is or what he brings. Its about money and how much cash a franchise can save that could potentially give the rockets the player or players that could push them over the top. I think the rockets are probably in one of the most enviable positions in the league right now. I'll be shocked if a team doesn't pull their pants down to grab Tracy's contract and unload some talent that in normal economic environments would never be traded.
     
  5. abc2007

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    Do you think his teammates want to give him a 2nd chance? Without him, they share the ball well, and have passed the 1st round. If Tmac does come back as a rocket, he has to accept a much lesser role. Tmac is a sensitive guy. Maybe it's a better thing for him to go to another team and have a new start.

     
  6. RV6

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    Not EVERY single team besides houston is trying to save money...most are, but some aren't, and some would be OK just trading salaries even if they aren't saving money. I think a playoff team would see value in a healthy tmac if he may get them over the hump, even if it means spending a bit more, the extra merchandise and ticket sales would help greatly.
     
  7. jump shooter

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    Please. You actually think that Morey is going to tip his hand on what he's going to do with Tracy or with anybody else on the team. If he comes out saying that he's shopping Tracy and it doesn't work out, who's the one that's going to have egg on his face. He's going to have to mend the fences with a very sensitive Tracy McGrady. If you were GM would come out tell everyone Tracy's for sale and weaken your negotiating position. Morey's phone is probably ringing off the wall right now and I just can't believe the rockets are in such a great opportunistic position as they are right now.
     
  8. t_mac1

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    listening to offers for a guy is still like shopping for a guy. if you're untradeable, your GM won't even pick up phone calls regarding you. you think ferry would entertain calls regarding lebron?

    so tracy knows he can be traded. so what's to hide? morey has said he's willing to listen to offers for tracy. to me, that' essentially the same thing.

    but i do agree with morey that he's not so active saying we NEED to trade tracy and is desperate to do so. i think morey is open to getting tmac back.
     
  9. RV6

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    What teammate has said they aren't willing to? FANS are the ones saying there's drama and that they hate each other. Every single player that has talked about it has denied it. Yes, sometimes players hide the truth, but not always, i think we need to give them the benefit of the doubt here, especially since the bench looked fine when tmac was there, players were still interacting with him well and they seemed to be in good terms......

    I think everyone forgets tmac was never healthy last year. If tmac isn't healthy, what's he going to do on the court?? Jack it up. He's not going to create anything because he can't physically, so of course he's going to stop ball movement and drop their efficiency. We don't know what a healthy tmac will do with these players, maybe he'll create and make the game even easier, we just dont know. No one can say with certainty that he'll fit or won't fit, that's precisely why the team isn't in a hurry to trade him just yet until they do know for sure. Once they know he doesn't fit or that he's not going to be the same, then we'll feel the sense of urgency..

    but as of right now, it's mostly fans overreacting, like always..
     
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    i'm sure they don't "love" tracy. but if he's healthy, they do respect tracy. they didn't like his inconsistency, and always going in and out of the lineup and not letting the team know when... those things did piss some of the teammates' of. tracy's style of play and game, from what i've read, are not the reasons his teammates are pissed off at him about.
     
  11. jump shooter

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    Why have players around the NBA nicknamed Tracy "Half Man Half a Season". He' an injury gamble period. The percentages of Tracy being healthy not for all but for a good portion of the season is extremely low and especially after microfractive surgery. He is going to need the ability to change his game once he figures he doesn't have the same explosion he once had, does he have the mental toughnes to make those changes. If there was a guarantee that he could play 70 games, I wouldn't even consider trading him. I for one do not want to see another fragmented injury plagued season, having an injury prone center is more than enough for me to handle.
     
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    I think we have more potential to get better value from teams that are looking to save money than teams that are looking to advance in the playoffs...
    A playoff team will look at his injury history and this is his contract year...
    And they would ask themselves Is it worth giving up a player we could use for a player that is not guaranteed to resign or stay healthy more than one year??
    He would basically be a one year rental...
     
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    The things have changed since the rockets passed the 1st round without him.

    I don't think they want 'dominating the ball Tmac' anymore. A couple of seasons ago, they couldn't win games without Tmac, of course they respected him. Now, even he can recover 100%, if he still hold the ball a lot, they wouldn't like him. If Tmac still wants to be a rocket, he needs to have a psychological preparation for that.

     
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    have you seen ron artest? when dude starts dribbling, it ain't leaving his hands.

    they didn't respect tracy this year b/c he was always in and out of the lineup and they never know when he's going to play. when you don't know if a player has your back every game by not showing up, you're going to lose respect for the guy.

    shane, yao, and adelman have all said this year when tracy went out that they miss giving him the ball late in games and let him create. so again, they don't mind his style of play (i actually think they miss it at times). they just didn't like how he handled his injuries and always kept the team and players out of the loop.
     
  15. abc2007

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    The rockets have proved they can success without Tmac. Now, because of the nature of Tmac's contract, he has the highest trading value right now. If a right offer come, why shouldn't the rockets do it?! The players can practice and play together from training camp. That will be a better situation for the rockets.

     
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    The Alston deadline trade told me that Morey is willing to make moves whenever it will better the team.

    Assuming Feigan's info on the insurance payments is correct, TMac's value to others is highest before the season starts. That may mean our biggest moves will come now, but it has little to do with time to gel.
     
  17. jump shooter

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    Agree, they really missed Tracy at the end of games.
     
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    I am sure if they couldn't win without him, they would still 'respect' him even he was in and out of the lineup.

    The things have changed since they can win without him. That is a fact. Tmac needs to accept it. If he can, there is still a chance for him to be a rocket. Otherwise, it would be a better thing for him to leave.

     
  19. t_mac1

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    no they wouldn't. the #1 thing all rocket fans were frustrated was tracy deciding on his own whether he was going to play or not, when he was taking time off, when he's going to return. that's the thing i disliked how tracy handled his situation this year.

    when you're going to war and don't know if your "teammate" is going with you or not, it's going to wear on you.

    yao said that SPECIFICALLY this year regarding what i said. you need to follow the team more closely if you want to know what was the most frustrating thing for the team this year was regarding tracy.
     
  20. t_mac1

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    adelman, shane, AND yao stated that same thing. so i'm sure if tracy comes back healthy and IS ABLE TO PLAY MORE THAN A FEW GAMES HERE AND THERE, everything will be fine.

    but he has to regain the trust back to where he has to be ready to come to play every night, and if he's going to be out, let the team know about it.
     

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