damn, triple post.....sorry again ------------------ [This message has been edited by floyd (edited May 04, 2001).]
slacker! Anyway, you guys need to lighten up on Dakota. The Mavs won 50 games and it wasn't by luck. They have a very talented team and I think they could be a legitimate contender for the title. They've got good ball handlers in Nash/Eisley, good shooters in Nowitzki and Finley, a good complementary player in Howard(yes he's over-paid, but can also bring alot to the table) decent overall team defense and an enthusuastic owner that is willing to go all out to win. I wouldn't be so quick to take this team so lightly. As for the Lakers being the next potential dynasty, I don't think so. That team has entirely way too much inner turmoil and a few players that are nearing the end of their careers(Grant, Harper & Fox). They do have the potential to win a few titles if it all comes together, but the overall talent level in the West, IMO, will be a constant hurdle for the Lakers to overcome and I simply do not see them repeating at the pace of the Bulls or possibly even at all. ------------------ Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.
It just that DaDakota comes across as harsh on the Rockets who are going through a transitional/rebuilding phase from playoff and championship teams of the '90's. What previous winning teams has Dallas been doing a transition/rebuilding from? I haven't ran the numbers as far as years in the league, but the core group in Dallas should all be hitting their peaks now and over the next several years. The core group in Houston is definitely younger, so it comes across the wrong way when the Rockets get bashed for not being as poised and under control as the Mavericks. If the core Rockets had the same NBA experience as the core Mavericks, then his points would be on target. Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated. [This message has been edited by Mango (edited May 04, 2001).]
The Rockets went to the Playoffs every year between 1985 through 1991, thats about 6 years straight, then didn't make it in 91-92, 93-99 they made it, another 6 years. So in 13 seasons they made it to the playoffs 12 times, the finals 3 times, two championships, and a couple of western conference finals. DaDakota, I mean when I said 10 years of winning I mean, sorry, 12 out of 13 seasons worth of winning, while the Dallas Mavericks were bad for a good solid 10 years. All I'm saying, is it about DAMN time they make it to the playoffs again, were just taking a break I mean 45 wins...not bad for the second year in rebuilding, how many wins did Dallas have last season when they finished "strong", and were predicted to make noise in the playoffs this year? 41? I don't know, but it looks pretty good being a Rockets fan right now, just like all Dallas teams, Houston fans should HATE them all but I was rooting for the Mavs to beat Utah, and predicted them out, and I do thing San Antone is going to be a good series, I say it goes 6 games. San Antonios way. And I am too young to remember those games in 85 but you're too senile DaDakota to realize how much time its been since we were horrible like the Mavs were for an eternity ------------------ -jbond77
OH NO ****, The rockets had some sorry years, so have the bulls and celtics and lakers.... NOBODY is gonna rule forever, but THe rocketS have one two championships, the mavericks havent, case in point, we are a team that knows how to do it, we just need some missing pieces..... ------------------ got milf?
I agree guys, I just meant to imply that we shouldn't think the Mavs are just a flash in the pan. They are going to be around for a few years and you can count on them being legitimate contenders unless something happens with Finley/Nowitzki. The Rockets are in a fantastic position to make a run for a title, falling a few wins short of 50. Not many teams that have gone through such dramatic roster changes, have maintained the competitive level of play that the Rockets have. The West is going to be a war for years to come. ------------------ Don't sweat the petty things and don't pet the sweaty things.
ok fine. perhaps the rockets sucked for 10 years too. but the bottom line is the mavericks have 0 championships. the rockets have 2 championships. i dont care how long any of you have been rockets fans. i dont care if you are 70freaking years old and you remember them from san diego and i dont care if you saw murphy's jersey hung in the raftors. i dont care about any of it. the bottom line is our franchise has two championships, four finals appearences, and countless other significant playoff series wins. and when you show me three maverick championship rings, or even at least a finals appearance, dont tell me the rockets need to learn a damn thing from the mavericks franchise. now is that a stupid argument. are you guys freaking kidding me? are you people even rockets fans? the current mavs are better than the current rockets, and if you mean that these current rockets should learn something from the current mavs, than maybe thats something to talk about. but not really. our franchise has 50times more heart and success than the mavs. and dallas is losing in the next round for sure. i dont think of it as anything significant. we are doing just fine with our team without paying attention to some second round extiting team. im dissappointed in you guys. ------------------ make it stop.
Guys, You are missing my point, I DON'T like the Mavs more then the Rockets, and I concur that we have the better OVERALL franchise. I am saying that our YOUNG guys could learn a lot about how to win by watching how the Mavericks play. They play with poise, and share the ball, and they do not showboat. THAT IS MY MAIN POINT. I am not comparing the last 10 years...just the current team we have now, to the current Mavs team. They are better right now, hopefully we will catch up. By the way...Nash is like 25 or 26, and Nowitski is only 22, so they are about the same age as the Rockets. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
I am saying that our YOUNG guys could learn a lot about how to win by watching how the Mavericks play. They play with poise, and share the ball, and they do not showboat. THAT IS MY MAIN POINT. Give it up, DADakota. Since we won two titles about 6 years ago, we can never learn anything from a franchise that has no titles. Never mind that none of our current players (minus Bullard) was a part of those teams -- apparently, that's not relevent. Never mind that Dallas is actually doing something correct right now -- again, not relevent. Some other guys wearing the same uniform won two championships, so our young guys don't need to learn anything. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Nash and Nowitzki have been in the league a little longer than Steve and Cat though. Steve&Cat have 5 years in the league while Nowitzki&Nash have 8 years. Even last year, Nash was an average point guard in his 4th season with 9 points and 5 assists a game. If anything, I think our team is ahead of the pace of the Mavs. Also remember who they beat, I bet quite a few bbs-ers think the Rockets could take out the Jazz in a 5 game series too. Next season the Rockets will be the young team with a lot of potential making it to the playoffs. All of the stories will be about Rudy's amazing job of totally switching offensive schemes and rebuilding the Rockets in only a couple seasons. ------------------ [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited May 05, 2001).]
ok i see what you are trying to say. i disagree, but i see what you are trying to say. ------------------ make it stop.
NOPE! Nada, zip zero. We don't have anything EVER to learn from Dallas, Period. Sure if you want to be objective and humble and openminded then you could say that there are a couple of reasons mainly being height that Dallas had like 5-7 more wins then us this year and are advancing to the second round after taking out the team that should have been take out like that two to three years ago. Dallas is a horrible city, the people are crappy for the most part, and that damn hov lane with no wall really gets my water boiling. Screw the Mavericks, will be far better then them next year, no way were settling for being the "third" best team in Texas. Go Rockets. btw: I love your sarcasm Shanna, its so utterly refreshing and subtle. ------------------ -jbond77
The reason the Mavericks are going to be a "special" team, in my opinion, is because of Dirk Nowitzki. I think he's going to be one of the greats... just a smooth shot with unbelievable range and the guy is a 7-footer. I think the Rockets can match up with Juwan Howard, Steve Nash and even Michael Finley, but they better find some sort of answer for Nowitzki because they don't have one currently. Think the Bucks are a wee bit upset they dealt him for Tractor Traylor? ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
I agree Clutch, Dirk's potential is amazing, and I do think that the Dallas Mavericks are going to be a team to deal with for as long as they keep that nucleus together, however I do believe with a few roster tweeks that the Rockets will not only be back to playoff contention they will regain ground on the other Texas ball teams. And besides Dallas is a horrible horrible horrible city, a literal no mans land, where people wander around aimlessly for day, wanting something better, always knowing that Houston looms on the horizon. ------------------ -jbond77
Shanna....... that was pretty sneaky there, I think it went by everyone's head but mine, because I too love mind games and I too know basketball. Bullard sucks basketballs, FLAT OUT, he is horrible, he is paid to make the 3 pointer, and he occasionally does it, but he does not jump, or play defense, or run or even make the occasional 3 he is supposed too, he will make 8 in a row, when the team is already up by 15, sooooooo what, he never hits the big one, how many "big ones" did he ever hit to win a game for us, I remember Hakeem, and Maxwell, and Cassell, and Eddie Johnson, and Mobley, and Francis, but never Bullard. I could argue all day how unimportant Bullard is, but this post is about us learning from the Dallas Mavericks. Ok, I understand what DaKota is trying to say, that is his opinion I am fine with that, I just think the current system, the system we have altered a bit for our new young players, we still have the centerpiece and Coaches, we have if anything a better squad then the years when we won it, MObley and Francis, are "GOBS" better than Cassell and SMith, LOL....horrible ok anyways, I think we get a powerforward in here, and we will go very deep next year in the playoffs, call me crazytown or r****ded, but just wait and see, once Chris Webber gets here, we are gonna make very big waves, the kind of waves you will never see at Galveston, we're talking gigantic, jumba mumba waves, "Shanna is gone away, Christopher Cross is the next big thing" ------------------ got milf?
What Would the Mavericks Do? WWMD? We have a young star at the point. WWMD? TRADE HIM! We have a young star at the 2-guard. WWMD? TRADE HIM! Shawn Bradley is a free agent. WWMD? Sign him to the max! The Rockets have nothing to learn from the Mavericks, because the Mavericks have nothing to teach. There is no one way "the game should be played", and the Mavs do showboat, ain't nothing wrong with showboating. The reason the Mavericks are in the playoffs is because they have more talent than the Rockets, and they have more talent because they've been rebuilding since the Reagan administration, and have had many more lottery picks than us. There is no reason to believe that this accumulation of talent is due to anything more than the law of averages. ------------------ Founder and President of the Houston Homers Club(HHC) - Are you a homer? Join now! The Rockets will be NBA champions. Believe.
Clutch is absolutely right. Unless Nowitzki becomes one of the best in the game, the Mavs are going nowhere. The question is, who has a better shot at becoming one of the all-time greats, Francis or Nowitzki? That's really the only question that matters at this point. Apart from that, who cares about the Mavs. ------------------ "When we were really hard up, Nikki and I would date girls who worked in grocery stores just for the free food. But we always bought our own booze. It was a matter of pride." --Vince Neil
Dallas is a horrible horrible horrible city, a literal no mans land, where people wander around aimlessly for day, wanting something better, always knowing that Houston looms on the horizon. Shock value. ------------------
Freak, That is a good question, would you trade Francis for Nowitski? I am thinking about it. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
WHAAAAAAAAT????????????// trade Francis for Nowitski, "yeah and then you woke up" right, GOD NO. Nowitski is gonna be great, he is no fluke. Francis and Nowitski will both be representing the West in the All-Star game next year ------------------ got milf?
