The Rockets are without a star for the first time in almost 30 years.

so when we're done rewriting history how many championships will we have?

 

Who is our next star of those that are on the team now? Lowry, Morris, Martin, maybe Bud?

 

And of course, the biggest star:

Spoiler

 

If Kyle Lowry maintains what he did the second half of last season he is likely better than Francis.

Stevie was an incredibly flawed player.. but he could take over a game. Usually I feel like he is overrated by this board but in this thread it seems to be the opposite.

 

Steve Francis is no true Lightbringer. His light shines, but there is no heat.

 

So was Brooks better than Stevie too? He did it for ONE YEAR; that's more than half a season!!!!

 

..yet Francis should be penalized for racking up stats, because it's not the way a point guard "should" play...sorry Derrick Rose.

Not going to have this debate again; Francis had his flaws, obviously, being a better player than Lowry (thus far) in his prime was not one of them...at least according to the evidence that we have.

 

When the lockout ends Stern needs to have one of those cigar smoke filled secret meetings and pull strings to get the fourth largest city in the nation's fan base a star.

*Cough* Ewing draft, Gasol trade *Cough*

 

Maybe the Rockets management will realize now that it's finally time to rebuild.

 

No idea what this post is talking about. Nobody in this whole thread has said that Francis should be penalized for "racking up stats" but you're the one who brought up stats in the first place. The only way one could say that Francis was better is if they say individual stats are all that matter because he lost in every other category like defense and overall team offensive leadership/skills.

Btw Lowry's career TS% is better than Francis' prime TS%, you claimed the opposite when you said he was more efficient. And it doesn't really matter how your PG plays when you're the best defense in the league. Are you actually saying that Chicago's awful offense was good?

And @ whoever said AB was a good offensive player, he was horrible. That + Francis + Rafer is why the Rockets had been a bad to mediocre offensive team for over a decade until Lowry became the starter.

 

Expectations is the biggest difference. Steve was expected to be a franchise player because he had franchise talent (that he never maximized) Heck Lowry wasn't even considered a starter until last season.

 

LOL - so basically you're saying, vis-a-vis Francis, Lowry is the "no stats all star" - since he doesn't have as many, and liberally susbstituting your own arbitrangibles (yep i made that up), but that you have "no idea" what I'm talking about, when I note that .

You're a dense little chap.

No, actually what i meant is that at his best, Francis's player efficiency rating was over 20....all star level, more or less...and that Lowry is back in the 16's,

It's actually very similar argument to that made last year when reigning MIP Aaron Brooks managed to score 19 ppg but was unable to push his PER past people like Kyle.

No...what's far more interesting is your implication. Are you actually saying that if we swapped out Lowry for Rose Chicago's offense would be better? And the Rockets' worse? Because that's the logical failtrain you are setting yourself up for.

But then again considering you were arguing that Yao was outreboundign Patrick Ewing I wouldn't be surprised if this train leaves the station.

 

this dude reminds of that dude who got banned awhile back, blackknight, who said he wasn't old enough to watch the Dream era, but yet made references to the 80s and 90s like he saw them play. It was obvious he didn't and used basketball-reference to make some story to appear like he knew what he was talking about

 

I never said Lowry was better than Rose, Rose has a lot of the same advantages over Francis that Lowry does, most notably BBIQ.

 

There's a reason our only argument ever is "I watched and you didn't" lmao.

Stick to the kiddie pool, the big boys are discussing things here.

 

you obviously didn't watch dude. The big boys are those dudes with all those greens dots next to their names.

 

Green dots are like president's approval rating, no one cares. If anything, the fact that your green dots aren't maxed after so many years and posts speaks volumes, lol.

Try caring less about your e-rep and more about basketball. Just cause someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they didn't watch as much as your old ass did. "Those that watched" also thought that Steve Nash and Dirk were no better than Pat Garitty and Tractor Traylor and yet the "non-watcher" Mavs proved them wrong.

 

The early years of Steve Francis, Francis was not playing a traditional point guard role, he was playing the Allen Iverson role, and he was good at it enough to become an all star.

This is an obvious case of someone not knowing Rocket's history.

it's a case of this

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A prime Francis would never have to backup Mike Conley or Aaron Brooks. I like Lowry, but Francis > Lowry.

 

Also the fact that he couldn't play the traditional PG role had something to do with it. I doubt Rudy T said "dribble as much as possible then shoot."