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The rockets are on the "mediocrity treadmill"

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by T-Slack, Mar 6, 2011.

  1. DCkid

    DCkid Member

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    I don't even understand what point you're trying to make. Contradicting yourself left and right.

    Basically, if you suck long enough and get enough high draft picks you can eventually land a top five player. EARTH SHATTERING! :eek:

    By the way I haven't checked, but I'm pretty sure every team in the league has at least one top five pick. I think some of the really bad teams have several.
     
  2. Honey Bear

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    1. If you want a superstar, you have to have a top 5 pick or top 5 talent. Assets outside of that are good for accumulating role players only.

    2. There is a difference between a #2 option like Gasol playing as a #1, and a #2 option like Gasol playing with a clear cut #1 option like Kobe.

    3. The Rockets need to tank if they want to compete for titles. To get that #1 option or an asset that can bring in a superstar. Right now, they don't have the assets for a superstar.

    I hope that helps.

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  3. ashishduh

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    Yeah the Francis trade was a miracle, the Gasol trade was a miracle, the Gerald Wallace trade was a miracle.

    Man, at this rate miracles have a higher chance of occurring than tanking's success rate. I'll take those odds, lmao.
     
  4. Honey Bear

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    Post 177 is still waiting for you, Nathaniel. Gerald Wallace? If you had something credible to add, you wouldn't make stuff up. And he went to a team with Brandon Roy and LMA, successful top 5 picks.
     
  5. ashishduh

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    It's hilarious that you consider Francis a top 5 talent. He had been in the league for many years and people knew he wasn't a superstar caliber player. You might as well say Thabeet is a top 5 talent, he actually has a higher chance of becoming a superstar than Francis did when we got TMac. Or how about Barkley trade, lots of top 5 talent there huh?

    All your posts are just grasping for straws to prove a point and anything that doesn't agree with your "rules of NBA success" is a fluke or a miracle, and half the time contradicting statements you made yourself.
     
  6. Honey Bear

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    You're either r****ded, or a troll. Most likely a saucy combination of both.

    The rest of your posts deliberately make up statements.
     
  7. T-Slack

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    You don't even make sense. You act like the Lakers were mediocre for a long time. Even when they were as you call, "mediocre" they were pushing teams 6 or 7 games in the playoffs. The Rockets ain't gonna get a Gasol type deal.
     
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  8. T-Slack

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    So what if shed the dead weight? None of the upcoming free agents are really game changers. Chandler nice, but I don't think we have the cap space to sign him. Our team is young but get rid of Martin and Scola and we'll be younger and get rid of the guys thst are making us mediocre.
     
  9. DCkid

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    What about freeing up 17 million dollars spent on nothing? I consider that pretty much debilitating. It's huge to get rid of it.

    What about in two years? Not that long of a wait considering you could possibly be waiting ten years to rebuild the team from scratch.
     
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    I don't know which one of you two is more dense. Ok fine you said "top 3 pick", congratulations we have a top 3 pick, problem solved. But I know you're not that stupid (maybe you are) that you think a player's draft status many years after he was drafted is actually relevant, so I assume you're just trolling.
     
  12. ashishduh

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    2008-2009 HOU 53-29 Lost Western Conference Semifinals (3-4) to Los Angeles Lakers.

    Herpaderpderp.

    You and this Ronny guy make Internet arguing so easy, constant contradictions and proving my points for me, lol.
     
  13. TEXNIFICENT

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    Dude, the Lakers have been to the Finals 7 out of the last 11 years with 5 NBA Titles. The longest period between NBA FINALS appearances (not playoff appearances) is 3 years. To suggest that the Lakers were mediocre for "many years" in any argument is STUPID. Especially when you're trying to defend the Rockets who haven't sniffed the Finals since 1995. Tanking or whatever method they use to build, I just wish the Rockets could enjoy the same success the Lakers have for the last 11 years.

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  14. T-Slack

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    That boy is stiffing some good crack rock. He's the kind of kid that doesn't think he's ever wrong. Ignore list here he comes.
     
  15. sammy

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    I'm not sure what constitutes as top 5 talent but Dirk, Mcgrady & Amare were drafted at 9. Kobe at 13.

    Let's go with above average talent with star potential in the last 10 years or so. Some are stars already in my opinion although not superstars (have made the all-star team).

    Greg Monroe - 7
    Stephen Curry - 7
    Derozan - 9
    Holiday - 17
    Lawson - 18
    Eric Gordon - 7
    Brook Lopez (great rookie season) - 10
    Hibbert - 17
    Noah - 9
    Hawes - 10
    Thaddeus Young - 12
    Roy (pre-injury) - 6
    Rondo - 17
    Gay - 8
    Lowry - 24
    Granger - 17
    David Lee - 30
    Iggy - 9
    Josh Smith - 17
    Kevin Martin - 26
    David West - 18
    Nene - 7
    Boozer - 35
    Joe Johnson - 10
    Zach Randolph - 19
    Gerald Wallace - 25
    Tony Parker - 28
    Ginobili - 57

    Josh Howard, Kaman and Mo Williams have made the all-star team but I didn't want to include them on this list.

    The bottom-line is that nothing is certain. Drafting a "superstar" is definitely not. It's all about finding value at your draft position. DM has done a great job at this for the most part this far. Tanking this season would have destroyed our players' value.
     
  16. DCkid

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    Quick question how long do you think the Rockets have been "mediocre" in your opinion?

    Hint: it's less than the three years the Lakers were "mediocre" in the 2000s.

    I'll try to explain it to you. By the logic in this thread, the Lakers should have blown up that team after first two years of "mediocrity." And they didn't even have the valid excuse of actually having two superstars and $36 million in cap space tied up in deadweight. They were quite simply a healthy "mediocre" team as opposed to the Rockets' injury-induced "mediocrity." Believe it or not, the Lakers even let this "mediocrity" continue a whole extra year!!! I can't even imagine how pissed y'all would have been as Lakers fans around that time.

    Anyway, that's the point he was trying to make. Not that the Rockets had better success than the Lakers over the last decade. Not sure where you got that. :confused: It seemed pretty straight forward.
     
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  17. T-Slack

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    I don't even know why the Lakers were even brought up. They were and are in a different situation then us. They have the best player as their building block and was only two pieces away. The Rockets are many pieces away!!!! When you have Kevin Martin as your center piece you team has problems. If you people read my first post in this thread and still don't understand why we have to tank, then you guys need to get slapped.
     
  18. t_mac1

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    when dwight howard and chris paul get bounced from the playoffs, morey needs to start grinding and hustling.
     
  19. sammy

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    This. Although, I'm more than content with just Howard.
     
  20. t_mac1

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    not just you, rocket fandom will feel orgasmic if that happens.
     

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