The Rockets' Approach This Offseason Might Not Involve Using Cap Space

What's repetitive is having the 14th pick 3 years running.

Nothing blind about the negativity. I don't see how "actual info and analysis" could bring you to any other conclusion. Clutch has been preaching this for awhile now, not understand wtf the Rockets are doing.

Our cap space is limited, and some of our best assets (which aren't spectacular to begin with) are unsigned.

 

What is the last date a trade can be made using the player's 2011-12 salaries as the trade salary basis?

 

Please see my comment just above yours.

 

Thank you jopat for treating this topic correctly. We don't always agree, but I can respect your quest for knowledge. It is certainly not unlike mine.

Best to you.

 

More of the same in the sense of our current position in the league and potential for improvement.

 

I do not know the projected salary cap. The luxury cap is created by some complex formula. I believe the salary cap was 58 million dollars and the luxury tax line was around 70 million dollars.

A single trade would not be able to put a team under the salary cap to above the luxury tax line.

Also, there are financial trade restrictions for teams that are over the cap and trying to trade. Before the new CBA, salaries involved in the trade have to be within 125% plus $100,000 each other. For example, if the Grizzlies and Lakers wanted to trade, than their salaries have to be close enough to follow the rules. If Grizzlies sent player A with a salary of 10 million dollars, than the Lakers have to send player(s) with a combined salary close to 10 million dollars.

Also for a team under the cap, the above rule did not apply. You could absorb salary (up to the amount you are under the cap) without giving up the same amount of salary. For examples, just look at the sign and trade deals between Miami and Toronto/Cleveland (Bosh/LeBron).

After the new CBA, I honestly am not sure what changed and what didn't. I've read articles about the new CBA and all of Bima's explanations; it's just taking me some time to get used to.

 

I'm not sure, but I'm assuming when free agency begins?

 

Salary cap is fixed at last year's cap, $58.044 million.

What I want to know is what is the last date trades can be made using the 2011-2012 salaries?

The reason I want to know this is so many trade scenarios are made possible by simply a few dollars to spare. Using those 2011-12 salaries vs. 2012-13 salaries could make a difference in certain trades being possible.

I am under that assumption that the season ends when the Finals are over so I have assumed up til now that the salaries used for trade would apply clear up to the end of the Finals. But don't know if it's true and thought perhaps Bima or CH would save me the hassle of looking it up.

 

On another note, Bima is making a very powerful point. If we could somehow make our moves that we want to make and be over the cap, we have a nice trade exception AND that MLE. That is big time to building a championship contender once you acquire a superstar or two.

 

I just looked it up. I was right, it begins when free agency begins. This would be someday between July 8th to July 11th.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q114

 

Never mind.

Another possibility under this scenario would be to renounce Lee and then bring him back using the MLE or some portion of the MLE if we make our moves in over-the-cap mode.

 

Yes, I don't see why not.

It looks like if Rockets are going to make a big move, than it be in their favor if they make it as soon as possible.

 

I don't think you can trade a player with an expiring contract after the February trade deadline. However, I think Dalembert could be traded to a team wanting to cut salary (i.e. like the Lakers as part of a Gasol package), and then cut by the team acquiring him, allowing that team to reduce its salary burden by all but the $1.5 guaranteed portion of his salary. This is somewhat similar as to how Dallas got Tyson Chandler for Erick Dampier, who had a non-guaranteed deal and was then cut by Charlotte.

 

Defensive much?

I did not say all negativity is blind. Funny what people read into things.

I do not take issue with the conclusions people draw, but rather the thoughts and analysis, or the lack thereof, that people go through to get there. Posts that say "HEY LETS JUST SIGN TWO MAX GUYS AND WIN AND WIN AND WIN!" without is looking at the actual NBA rules and cap situation are as annoying as the "OMG 14 PICK WERE DOOMED!!!" posts. Bimathug, for example, is by no means a Pollyanna about where the team stands. Instead, he looks at where the team actually is in terms of both talent and cap situation, and trade/draft/free agency options and recognizes both the possibilities and risks of what the team can do (tanking, trading for star, pursue free agent, etc.). Morey himself spoke about "tanking" being an option to rebuild that may be easier than trying to compete. I don't have issue with either of their position.

Nor do I take issue with Clutch's preference for tanking. It's perfectly reasonable for some reach the conclusion that the Rockets should tank for a higher pick rather than pursue their present course of action, but lets have discussions about what the consequences of tanking is under the present lottery, the past achievement/value of players picked at various spots, and what teams managed to do with or without tanking instead of "OMG 14th PICK KILL MURRAY!" posts that fill up this board.


It's fine to reach different guesses on the odds that the Rockets have of acquiring a significant player given their present player/salary/draft picks position, but I find a discussion that actually reference the possibilities and limitations they have in the offseason under the NBA's rules to be much more interesting than one sentence "We are doomed!" posts.

I suppose some people don't care about the collective bargaining agreement, the salary cap and any of the other NBA rules and make their conclusions solely based on the W-L record. To each their own. To me, to ignore these things makes for non-substantive discussions.

 

We'd have to make sure everything goes through or that could backfire.

(Kinda like the Chuck Hayes' situation last offseason. The Gasol deal didn't go through, so not only did we not sign Nene, but also lost the chance to resign Hayes)

 

It makes sense. More often than not a team that pulls the trigger on a blockbuster is a right place at the right time situation. We want to make sure we are always in the right place.

 

Bima, if you were Daryl, what would be your plan A and B?