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The Ringer : The NBA’s 3s-and-Layups Cheat Code Is No More

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by jordnnnn, Dec 8, 2021.

  1. HardenVolumeOne

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    Move the 3 point line back
     
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    "Plenty" is only relative to the way teams play today, though. If "moreyrate" is the percentage of shots from 3 or at the basket, in 2010 the leaguewide moreyrate was 53.5% and the highest in the league was Denver at 64.8%. Last years Suns were at 64% and the Bucks were at 70%. So 10 years ago, the Suns would've been right there at the top of the league, viewed as a team that never shoots midrange and only shoots 3s and layups. The bucks at 70% would've blown everyone out of the water. There was a very significant shift in moreyrate in the early 2010s, and its been climbing ever since.
     
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    If you look at the graph in the article, the Moreyball "revolution" was to take out the long 2 a couple of steps back. Shots at rim and short 2s are really unchanged.
    That’s fine Imguess, but it doesn’t work in the playoffs. When intensity is higher accuracy is lower and these couple of steps inside the arc make a difference on the margin, it’s a slightly more comfortable shot.
     
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    Cruel to remind of us this awful and painful series, mods please delete
     
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    Yes, and 2-point shot has higher % shot (though with the lower expected outcome). Sometimes you need the higher % shot. Its value increases in the playoffs. Plus the threat opens up the game for the 3 point, especially for the lower % role players.
     
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    You have to get the correct type of players to play a system. It's unfortunate that it's hard to get a KD or a SC which fits most if not all systems out there. LBJ, JH or GA need certain systems in order to dominate. I find it a little bit harder for ISO players to really fit in a system especially if there are other ISO players.
     
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    Also the officiating changes have made layups are bit harder with less free throws.

    I think the officiating changes are bit understated.
     
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    It's both fascinating and disappointing how hard it is for people on this forum to understand this.
     
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    This is the exact type of play I miss seeing. A few of these could’ve won us that 2018 game 7.
     
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    Thats what Chris Paul was for. That's his bread and butter shot. The hammy woulda won us that series.
     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    That’s why it’s called low hanging fruit. You’re the first there, you get fat. Then everyone else does the same thing. The fruit is gone.

    What do you do? Figure out how to get to the next layer of fruit before everyone else.
     
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    A lot of people on this forum (myself included) are forever traumatized by 0-27. Morey apologists and history revisionists are not gonna change how we feel about it and what was the hard truth: that was utter bulshit perpetrated by a sleazy fraudster.
     
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    Only remember him going to the midrange twice against the warriors in 2015. Could have been up 2-0 had he made both shots to close those games, he missed both and that ended the season.
     
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    https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...lan-against-warriors-a-barrage-of-3-pointers/

    https://spacecityscoop.com/2020/04/13/daryl-morey-houston-rockets-competed-golden-state-warriors/

    “People are critical because we missed a bunch of threes,” continued Morey. “I think we set some record for missing the most threes in Game 7. Well, yeah, that sucked. But we also have no chance of being in Game 7 against them unless we played this high variance style that gave us a chance to beat them even though they were better than us.”

    even after the WCF Morey was still unapologetic with his "high variance" strategy
     
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    Which ever team has the best two players on the court will win 98.2% of the time.
     
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    The only team to ever win the title while shooting the most 3s were the 1994 and 1995 Rockets. The list of teams that shot the most 3s ever since are repeats of the same story. From the Nash Suns to the Howard Magic to the Harden Rockets, teams that elevated themselves with efficent play and transformed from 50 win to 60 win teams, but every time they ran into a team that reaches 60 wins off talent alone, they fail.

    At the time, all these teams were lambasted for their style of play by r****ds in the media. However, it became apparent that their own star players simply weren't as good as everyone thought. Harden is called a choker for failing to beat Kevin Durant, yet it's obvious now that Durant was and is miles ahead of Harden.

    Blaming efficient shot selection for why these teams failed is like blaming a turbocharger for why a V6 engine doesn't produce as much power as the V8.
     
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    Amen. There are very few elite mid-range players in this league and it's been that way for a long time, yet people want to continue taking the shot. KD, Paul, Derozan, etc. are all great-to-elite mid-range shooters. They would get a pass.

     
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    you make it sound like Steph Curry was just some roleplayer and totally ignore the fact that the warriors were already a 73 win super team even before KD joined them
     
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