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ico4498 · May 16, 2006

lol @ the notion LB will ever come west again.

RocketsMac · May 16, 2006

Possum said:

Are you seriously blaming Brown for the Knicks sad state? There is not a coach alive that could help that team.

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Well, I am not blaming everything on him, I am just saying that he made a lot of bad decisions for the team and demanded STUPID TRADES....

MONON · May 16, 2006

Look at it this way. If we'd have hired Larry Brown instead of JVG, we'd probably be in a position to hire Adelman now. 3 years is an awful long time for LB to stay with 1 team.

rocketsinsider · May 16, 2006

RocketsMac said:

Well, I am not blaming everything on him, I am just saying that he made a lot of bad decisions for the team and demanded STUPID TRADES....
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lol but thomas made soo many dumb trades before it didnt really matter how many more trades LB demanded.

Panda · May 16, 2006

OddsOn said:

We already have a coach who the players love and clearly play hard for. And if your fagile little minds can't believe that then just look at how hard the guys played for him toward the end of the season last year, even when we were officially out of the playoff hunt...
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They need to play hard for the employment of their no talent a$$. Where were their efforts in the last game of last year?

Do you think Steve Francis, Cuttino Mobley, Eric Pike and Mo Taylor love to play for Van Gundy?

It's appalling to look at the double standards for the players and coaches. Players gets traded all the time just because they don't do well enough on a team, in contrast, coaches should get replaced only when they stink it up. The standard for JVG is too low. The Houston fans are too tolerant and patient. Some fans are OK with firing the coach only when he stinks it up, such as failure to make the playoffs. The catch is with a healthy T-Mac and Yao, it's hard to stink it up like that for any NBA coach. Why don't you ask yourself under what conditions you are willing to fire JVG? When all the players say they don't like him?

Panda · May 16, 2006

They need to play hard for the employment of their no talent a$$. Where were their efforts in the last game of last year?
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Sorry, I meant "in the last game of the last playoffs."

TracyMcCrazyeye · May 16, 2006

Panda said:

Why don't you ask yourself under what conditions you are willing to fire JVG? When all the players say they don't like him?
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if we don't make it past the first round next year. time is ticking, and it has been soo long since we've made a run at that trophy. it's been, what, 8 years since we've gone past the first round?

tiger0330 · May 16, 2006

pradaxpimp said:

wow, one bad year with the worst gm in nba history and we're saying brown ran his team into the ground? Come on now.

He took the 6'ers to the finals, won with the pistons and historically kicks ass. Yes, he's a nutcase to work with, but the knicks was a travesty that no man could correct except if Zeke took over the head coaching job.
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You obviously haven't followed Larry in NY this year. The NY fans, press and the Knicks brass want to run him out of town. This supposed coaching legend played 70 lineups, lost control and the respect of the players and feuded with his players in the press, how did he contribute to a winning attitude with actions like that. Maybe LB was a great coach 10 years ago but old age has caught up with him.

dream2franchise · May 16, 2006

This is from a disgruntled Knicks fan:

http://realgm.com/src_twoplusthefoul/105/20060511/what_did_brown_do_for_us/

When it comes to the Knicks, I have always been the irrevocable optimist. I put a positive spin on every transaction no matter how senseless it might have been in reality, I remind myself of the on-court chemistry in a positive two minute stretch of a blowout loss, and I find possible reasons why the team might be better in the future. At this point at the end of this frustrating season I find myself all out of positive spin. Save for a few late season Jamal Crawford buzzer beaters, this Knicks team looked like it would have set the franchise mark in futility, but unlike the dark years of the mid-80s, there isn’t a twenty year old Patrick Ewing waiting in the wings.

The Knicks’ rebuilding process has taken a giant step backwards this season. If I had glimpsed into the future this past summer and seen the team’s record at 23-59, I would have been shocked. Hell, after the six-game win streak in January that had all of New York thinking first-round upset, I didn’t think it was fathomable that the team would plunge so deeply thereafter.

It’s a little pathetic that I am longing for the good old days of January 2006, where Stephon Marbury was ‘Starbury,’ Eddy Curry was ‘Baby Shaq,’ Jamal Crawford was a Sixth Man of the Year Candidate, and Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, and David Lee made Isiah Thomas look like the Billy Beane of the NBA draft. I find myself asking why that six game stretch was so different from the rest of the season? I have to believe it’s that Larry Brown was finally playing a set rotation, and it was the right players! Here lies the real shame of this wasted season, that I genuinely think it could have been avoided. I can tolerate the losing; after all this was the fifth straight year with a losing record, but I cannot stand the obvious detrimental coaching decisions that ‘legendary’ coach Larry Brown has made since day one.

This past off-season I believed Larry Brown was the best thing that could have happened to a young talented Knick team that just needed to find an identity. Instead Larry Brown has given this team Multiple Personality Disorder with the games he has been playing all season. He initially stated that the first twenty games would be a test run of lineup experimentations and unusual rotations. While it pained me to watch players like Matt Barnes and Malik Rose take time away from others younger, athletic, and talented rode the bench, I reasoned that Brown would eventually settle on a lineup and make a push for the playoffs. A record setting forty-two starting lineups later, I am amazed at how poor of a coaching job Brown has done. He has started players in their hometowns like a middle-school ‘B’ team, benched players who showed heart and energy in favor of overpaid veterans, and embarrassed himself with his constant whining to the media. At this point Brown has me questioning his ‘thirty year career’ which he so proudly decided to compare to Stephon Marbury’s, igniting an embarrassing media feud.

I don’t want to come across as another fan/writer who thinks he knows so much more than the coach, but is it really even questionable whether Channing Frye should have been playing over Mo Taylor all season? That David Lee should have been playing over Malik Rose? That Jerome James never should have taken off his warm-ups this year? Several times this season Brown has claimed that he would finally settle on a rotation, or that he would start playing the younger players more minutes, but then the next game eleven out of twelve players will see playing time before the end of the first quarter.

I distinctly remember ESPN analyst Greg Anthony describing Isiah’s signing of Larry Brown being good for ten more wins. This season he has single-handedly LOST over ten games; one example being the third game of the season. After the Knicks started 0-2, they found themselves down double digits to the Golden State Warriors at home when Brown inserted the ‘youngins’ into the game; Trevor Ariza, Channing Frye, David Lee, Jamal Crawford, and Nate Robinson. This energetic and passionate squad erased the deficit and had Madison Square Garden rocking. After a time out late in the fourth quarter, Brown pulled the team and reinserted among others, Antonio Davis and Malik Rose, as the Knicks squandered the lead and lost 83-81. After the game Brown said ''It's going to take some time. We're trying to figure out who can play and who can help us.'' One would have hoped that game provided some serious evidence.

I understand the reluctance of an experienced coach to bench his veterans in favor of rookies, but as the season bore on and the Knicks’ playoff chances diminished, wouldn’t it have been beneficial to their development had they been playing more? Channing Frye surprised everyone in the league with his play the first few months of the season, but his play since then has ushered in references to the ‘rookie wall.’ Frye didn’t hit any wall other than Larry Brown, who relegated the star rookie to less than twenty minutes a game. David Lee went from a starter during the celebrated win streak to the inactive list for no apparent reason. Wasn’t he a ‘Larry Brown guy’ who hustled for rebounds and played tough defense? The same could be said for Nate Robinson, and Trevor Ariza, who Brown pushed out the door, getting rid of one of the only true role-players on the roster.

If I sound confused when describing some of the general trends of the season, it is because there seems to be no common sense or logic behind them. Brown’s constant altering of the rotation, his random assignments to the inactive list, barrage of insults towards his players in the media, and preaches for specific players to be brought in have destroyed all morale in the locker room. I almost feel proud of the Knicks players when they show emotion on the court, or when the camera flashes to the bench players (whoever they might be that game) pumping their fists after one of their teammates makes a good play. Lucky for the players, and thank god for the fans, this season is over and most likely many of them will be shipped out, away from Brown’s mind games.

Perhaps next year Brown will have players he can actually work with. Perhaps he will come out of training camp with a rotation of seven or eight that he will stick with for a season. Perhaps I just found a little more of that optimistic spin.
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DeAleck · May 16, 2006

I really like JVG, I do. But if we can get Brown, by all means, grab him.

Panda · May 17, 2006

TracyMcCrazyeye said:

if we don't make it past the first round next year. time is ticking, and it has been soo long since we've made a run at that trophy. it's been, what, 8 years since we've gone past the first round?
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Yeah, it has been too long. Cat driving to the basket getting blocked by Shaq from behind seem so long ago, what was then, the first round in 1998?

Possum · May 18, 2006

tiger0330 said:

You obviously haven't followed Larry in NY this year. The NY fans, press and the Knicks brass want to run him out of town. This supposed coaching legend played 70 lineups, lost control and the respect of the players and feuded with his players in the press, how did he contribute to a winning attitude with actions like that. Maybe LB was a great coach 10 years ago but old age has caught up with him.
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Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that NY was already becoming the laughing stock of the NBA before LB even got there or the fact that the roster is full of over paid low BB BALL IQ players now would it?

Possum · May 18, 2006

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Wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that NY was already becoming the laughing stock of the NBA before LB even got there or the fact that the roster is full of over paid low BB BALL IQ players now would it?
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The fact that LB couldn't do anything with the them just showes what a sorry state the Knicks are in.

Uprising · May 18, 2006

I say hell no. LB is a good coach, but he is not the kind of guy I want to see coaching our team. As soon as the going is bad/rough/tough Brown will be hitting the road ditching the Team.

He's done it plenty of times to show he has no loyalty to his teams.

rockergordon · May 18, 2006

I'm not a lover or hater of Larry, but his resume is pretty good. The haters can't deny he has a pretty good reputation on paper. The lovers can't deny he has a tendency to bolt from teams if something better comes along.

One particular positive seems to out weigh the negative: his achievements surpass his transgressions, winning versus losing. He has won a lot more than lost.

If Larry Brown became our coach tomorrow, would we be a worse team or a better team. I believe we would have the potential to be a better team.

HOWEVER,

after a couple of years (10) of following the NBA, it seems the best possible formula for success is a GM and a Coach who have the same vision of what makes a successfull team.

Obviously I'm not a Basketball expert. But, positivity and vision are traits that are contagious. So, who in the Rockets organization has an amazing vision that every last employee can get behind. I tend to think it's Yao Ming and McGrady. They are the only card we have. Our talent as an entire team is secondary to the potential of McGrady and Ming. We can b**** all we want about surrounding them with proper talent but when your an entertainer like they are, you sometimes understand what it takes more than your superiors. A star knows what sort discipline he/she needs.

I believe we need a more philosophical coach. A player's coach. There are a few ex-players just waiting for their chance...

TechLabor · May 18, 2006

Hire LB. I'd love to see his wife more often. JVG never shows off his wife.

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