The results are in: Voter ID Fraud a myth - but we knew that

What about fraudulent voter registration?

 

Has it always been this way in our country, where we can't agree on the basic facts?

 

It looks bad for the party that wants less people to vote, and is doing what they can to have fewer voters.

That speaks really poorly for the GOP policy positions.

 

What about this or anything else attempts to stifle legitimate voters?

 

While voter fraud is an insignificant amount to the point where it doesn't matter, I still think you should have to present a form of ID.

 

It's quite simple, and the data are plain. Put more and more barriers in front of registering voters (or, in the case of Ohio, keeping the voting booth open for longer periods of time), and you suppress the number of voters and the ultimate voter turnout. The numbers show that this overwhelmingly affects poor voters more than affluent voters.

But maybe we have different notions of "legitimate voter" and this is actually all consistent.

 

Study after study shows that the people affected most by voter ID laws are the poor and elderly. Study after study shows that actual voting goes down when there are voter ID laws. Since there is no evidence of actual voter ID fraud, that suggests that legitimate votes are decreasing. You do the math. The PA House leader said that the Voter ID law there will help Mitt Romney win PA - how do you believe that will work?

As absurd as it sounds, a lot of people don't have the types of IDs required by these laws, and the cost of those IDs (both in time and money) is prohibitive to people who are barely surviving as is. The inflation-adjusted average cost of an ID is often higher than the old poll taxes designed to prevent poor black people from voting.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...th-voter-ids/2012/07/17/gJQAlrcXsW_story.html


Echoing the Justice Department’s argument that the laws are burdensome, the Brennan Center report found nearly half a million eligible voters in the 10 states do not have access to a vehicle and live more than 10 miles from their nearest state ID-issuing office.

In some areas, the offices that issue IDs maintain limited business hours. Rural areas in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, and Texas are served by part-time ID offices. And in an extreme example, the researchers found the office in Sauk City, Wis., is open only on the fifth Wednesday of any month. That would limit the office to being open just four days this year.

Voters who do not have their birth certificates or marriage licenses may have to pay additional costs because those documents are required to obtain a photo ID in some cases.

The report said birth certificates can cost between $8 and $25. Marriage licenses, required in some states for married women whose birth certificates include a maiden name, can cost between $8 and $20. “By comparison, the notorious poll tax — outlawed during the civil rights era — cost $10.64 in current dollars,” the report states.

In the Texas case, a judge on the panel suggested the law would force some people to travel more than 100 miles to get the documents required for a photo identification.

Even if you believe these things are overblown, why you support a "solution" to a non-existent problem when we know there are no positives and plenty of potential negatives?

 

The American people overwhelmingly support safeguarding the integrity of our voting process -- over 70% support.

If you DO NOT support the integrity of the voting process, then it reveals one of two things:

A) You plan to cheat

or

B) You think your constituents are so stupid that they can't come up with ID. If that's the case, maybe they shouldn't be voting in the first place.

Your choice.

 

Typical of a Big Government Conservative who wants to spend taxpayer money and grow government in order to fix something that isn't broken.

 

How many voters don't have a social security card, ID, birth certificate, voter ID, etc.?

Who doesn't have the necessary identification to legally obtain a job in the US?

 

Probably old poor people.

 

As noted in the article above, about 500,000 people in the 10 states covered in the study. In rural America, you don't need any of those things to get a job - as long as you know your SS, you're probably fine. And the problem is that some of the forms of ID you mentioned are not sufficient for the different voter ID laws. For example, an SS Card, Birth certificate, or Voter ID card wouldn't be sufficient in the places that require a photo ID. You'd need to get a photo ID which costs both time and money, and serves as a deterrent for poor and/or rural people.

 

Bizarro World: put no barriers whatsoever (including citizenshiip?) in front of registering voters and.... what happens?

 

1. This has nothing to do with voter registration, which you seem to be focused on.

2. If Mickey Mouse gets registered to vote but doesn't actually vote, what are the real world consequences of that?

3. What is the actual real-world benefit of stronger regulations?

 

Uhh.. its called North Dakota.

In North Dakota, there is no voter registration at all. You simply just have to show up at the polls with a valid utility bill or any other traditional voter ID. And no proof of ID is required for requesting vote by mail ballots.

Yet you hear nothing about fraud. Hmm...

 

Minnesota election 2008.

Franken won by 312 votes.

1099 convicted felons voted, all of which were illegal votes.

Of those 1099, thus far 177 have been CONVICTED of casting illegal votes in that senate race.

BTW: "the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and 'knowingly' voted unlawfully." So you could just claim you didn't know you were ineligible to vote.

 

LOL. The hilarity of this statement is almost too much.

 

The arguments in this are really ridiculous. If you can't go get a DL or an ID card, you don't get to vote. They aren't difficult to get, and last about a decade once you do.

Seriously, who here doesn't have at least a ****ing ID card?