I would feel better if people could give me examples of historically awful runs leading directly to championships. The only true examples are winning the lottery and lucking into a historically great player, but you don't need to be joke of the league bad to do that because the odds at the top pick aren't different 1-3, and barely different 1-6.
I think the Spurs Tanking Even the Rockets Tanking for Akeem I dunno if the Bulls Tanked for Jordan Rocket River
Who's word do I take on this .... Jalen Rose or Nook? I posted facts not my best guess. Read the article. RTFM.
The Spurs had one bad season, not 3, and weren't even the worst team that season. Before 85 tanking was justified because it gave you a 50/50 shot at the top pick, and a guarantee of at least second. But even then the Rockets and Bulls weren't as bad as us for an extended stretch. Like I said the only argument is gunning for the top pick, but you don't need to be "this' bad for that. The difference between our odds and the Magic, who have made noticeable competitive inroads, is a whopping 1.5%. They have just as good a shot at Wemby as we do, and even if they don't There just aren't examples of building to a champion by completely giving up on any semblance of competitive basketball for 3 years, particularly in the lottery era because there's no major benefit to doing so.
The difference is the Spurs had a SUPER STAR PLAYER they sat for a year We don't have that player Before JOrdon the Bulls were Cleveland before LeBron To quote Billy Joel The Good ole days weren't always good and tomorrow is not as bad as it seems Rocket River
Well no, going from worst to first is near impossible in this league but there are plenty of teams that had to build up to be championship contenders. I mean just this season alone, there's the Suns, who were a laughing stock for most of Booker's years. There is Philly, who also was tanking so hard they gave it a nickname. Then you have the Kings, who are not a contender but on the right track. The funny thing about all of these teams is all it took for them is to get ONE guy right and all of those guys took a couple of years or more to fully develop into their prime. I mean Ayton is no star, Philly busted on Fultz and Simmons, Kings been drafting top 7 for years now and have Fox to show for it. Booker and Fox are far from even being 'generational' stars and Embiid is really great, not sure generational great but still top 2 big in the NBA next to Jokic unless you want to consider Giannis a big. People are also bragging about OKC as if they haven't also been a laughing stock literally a year ago. I don't think it matters how historically bad they are now, the Astros were also historically HISTORICALLY bad, all that matters is that your long term moves hit and that's a sport where rebuilding can definitely take a lot longer than basketball and definitely longer than football where you could literally be a bottom tier team and find yourself a contender next season. Basketball is somewhere in the middle. The Rockets simply need to find a perennial all-star out of Green, Sengun, Bari, or this next guy and they will be right there. It just might take time for these guys to hit their prime (if they do) and if the Rockets are REALLY lucky, they'll have drafted 2 all-stars like the Celtics did or the Warriors and have multiple all-stars under bird rights. But the point here is it really doesn't matter if the rockets only win 20 games, 15, or 1, all that matters is that 5 years from now you can say it was worth drafting those guys. If 5 years from now the Rockets are contending no one is going to look back and care all that much that some time ago the OKC thunder beat them by 30+ and embarrassed the team.
Yeah… you may want to do some research on this…. Players don’t get an extra $894K for making the playoffs unless they have bonuses in their contracts and that’s unusual for NBA players. The pool money is not very much money and split amongst 16 players and assistants…
Dude, did you not read the article? I did the research before I posted the statement. Rose unequivocally stated that each player on a playoff roster earned $849k that season. Those TV deals are worth Billions to the league .... and players get 51% of that as per the last CBA. But hey, if you want to be right just to support the narrative you have created ... by all means carry on. (But I don't buy it).
The compensation that players receive from the NBA is governed by the collective bargaining agreement between the NBA Players Association and NBA League Office (owners). The last Collective Bargaining Agreement between the parties was ratified in 2017 and is valid through the 2023-2024 NBA season. Player compensation for the NBA playoffs in contained in the "CBA" Article 4 - Section 6 of the CBA contained the language that dictates the total amount of compensation for teams in the NBA playoffs and how the money will be distributed. Below is the portion of the applicable section: Section 6. Additional Player Benefits Except as set forth below, the NBA shall provide the following additional benefits: (a) Workers’ compensation benefits in accordance with applicable statutes. Such benefits will be provided for players and Two-Way Players. (b) Funding for the annual Players Association High School Basketball Camp (or any substitute program mutually agreed upon by the parties) in the amount of $1,034,012 for the 2017-18 Season, increasing by seven and one-half percent (7.5%) per Season thereafter for the term of this Agreement. Article IV 103 (c) Player Playoff Pool in the amount of $20 million for the 2017-18 Season, changing by a percentage in each Season thereafter for the term of this Agreement, which percentage shall be calculated by dividing: (1) the amount obtained by subtracting BRI for the immediately preceding Season from BRI for the then-current Season; by (2) BRI for the immediately preceding Season. If the NBA increases the number of Teams participating in the playoffs, the Player Playoff Pool shall be increased by $615,000 for each Team added. The NBA will consult with the Players Association with respect to the method of allocation of the Player Playoff Pool. Now, the amount of the total "playoff pool" is tied to the total revenue in the league. For example, the current pool is $25,000,000. That money is the TOTAL money that will be split by every team in the playoffs, and by every player in the playoffs. There are 16 playoff teams (not counting the play-in) and every playoff team has 16 players. 16 x 16 = 256 NBA players in the playoffs and that doesn't even include coaches and assistants that are usually given a part of the pool by the players. 25,000,000 divided by 256 = $97,000,000 However, the amount is actually LESS than that because players usually vote to give the money to anyone that was on the roster at any point in time that season, to give coaches and trainers and other employees a portion of it. Exhibit 1: ESPN article from 2015: Rajon Rondo https://www.espn.com/dallas/nba/sto...o-does-not-get-playoff-share-dallas-mavericks "The other 14 players on the roster evenly divided $208,940, which is awarded to teams that lose in the first round of the playoffs. Houston beat Dallas in five games in the best-of-seven series. Players determine how the team's playoff shares are divided. The players did not vote to exclude Rondo, the source said. They were simply presented with a list that did not include him, and there were no objections." *Accordingly, in this example the players earned $20,000 per player in playoff money.* Exhibit 2: Article from 2017: Damian Lillard https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/...e-bonus-playoff-money-to-trail-blazers-staff/ "The day after the Blazers were eliminated from the playoffs with a disappointing sweep at the hands of Golden State, Lillard still had one task to perform: Getting the rest of the team to sign off on donating their playoff checks. When a team makes the playoffs, they are awarded a bonus check. This season, any team participating in the first round of the playoffs was given $223,864 to be divided among players. For the Blazers, that is roughly $16,000 per player. As captain for the past two seasons, Lillard has made it clear to his teammates that their playoff checks should be donated to the Blazers' support staff, which consists of everybody from massage therapists to the trainers at the practice facility. Once again this season, with Lillard going from player to player to assure they followed through, the team voted to give up their full shares. The money was divided among 25 support staff, with some getting more than others depending on their role. "We divide our playoff shares to give to the people who we work so closely with because they spend as much time away from their families as we do, and they are just about as invested as we are,'' Lillard said after the season. "They also do as much as possible to make our lives easier, even if it makes theirs more difficult -- all while making far less. So it's a further way of showing appreciation beyond a thank your or a handshake.'' *Accordingly, each player was to receive $16,000 for making and playing in the playoffs.* Article 3: Hoops Rumors 2018 https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/05/details-on-2018-nba-playoff-pool-money.html Details On 2018 NBA Playoff Pool Money May 25th 2018 at 12:28pm CST by Luke Adams The NBA’s playoff pool money has increased to $20MM this season, up from $15MM for the last two years and $14MM for the two years before that, tweets Jeff Zillgitt of USA Today. This pool represents money awarded to teams for certain achievements, which is then divvied up among the club’s players. the breakdown for 2018’s playoff pool money is as follows: Postseason achievements: Teams participating in first round (all playoff teams): $298,485 each Teams participating in Conference Semifinals (Rockets, Warriors, Jazz, Pelicans, Celtics, Cavaliers, Sixers, Raptors): $355,159 each Teams participating in Conference Finals (Rockets, Warriors, Celtics, Cavaliers): $586,898 each Losing team in NBA Finals (TBD): $2,346,947 Winning team in NBA Finals (TBD): $3,541,896 *Accordingly, the team that wins the NBA Finals, gets about $200,000 per player. Except it is less than that because they split it typlically with anyone that was on the roster all year, coaches, employees and assistants.* Conclusion: The amount of money that NBA players earn in the playoffs is small, especially in comparison to base salary in the NBA. It is highly unlikely that an NBA that works a buyout of his contract will choose to join another NBA because of money. The players that got buyouts from the Rockets did so because they do not want to play on the Rockets and would like to experience the Playoffs, not because they will get an extra $900,000. The reality is VASTLY different.
