A good coach, which i consider adelman one, adjust to the talent. The clyde teams were different from the webber teams. The Portland team was one of the deepest,most atheletic teams probably ever for the most part. This Rox team will never be like either one of those offensively, but are better than both defensively by a long shot. Its not really about just making non penetrating passes, its about being effecient as a scoring team. I dont think this team will ever be a 105 ppg scoring team, but i see them as being a 97-100 yeilding 91 similar to the spurs and to the 99-01 lakers. Transition when they get the chance, run the offense, score effectively and play great defense. brooks will be a tempo changer and attacker off the bench, landry will bring the energy and barry the steady hand. The starters will scoreprobably 80+ points and the bench will fill the rest. I understand the notion or the hope of the princeton offense, but this team doesnt have those kinda of players that still make it a strength. If you try it, you're going to see alot of players out of their element and the offense struggleing. It will be some principles of it, but not enetirely college level princeton type offense.
Exactly. if mcgrady dosent like it, he can get out our ball club. i'm sure he'll adjust. same goes with yao or anyother player that stops the ball.
Were not trying out do those teams. what were trying to do with the amount of talent at our disposal, is to be a solid team. unlike you , i think we have good players who can play the motion offense. we have enough players who can cut off the ball. we have enough players who are good passers and more important there willing passers.
When was the last time you've seen yao make a 16ft jimmy? How about a penetrating pass? When have rafer been a triple threat. The princeton offense is about having triple threat players. Thats pass,shoot,dribble drive. The cuts for players that can do that is what makes it work. When u have 1,2,or 3 guys that are all triple threats offensively, the offense doesnt works well. When u all 5 guys that can interchange on the floor with a certain skill level, it works. The rox dont have the guys, thu it wont work. Now a version of it can exist to make it functional, but maybe thats all they need is to be functional, but when the game gets tight late, mcgrady or artest will have the ball. Players make plays, not systems.
Yao can make the 16ft shots. he is also an ok passer. we also have guys like mcgrady, artest, rafer and brooks who can beat people off the dribble. then we have the shooters in barry, head, mcgrady, brooks, battier and artest who can spread the floor.
I don't think Adelman has ever run the Princeton offense fully, it just doesn't work in the NBA because you are simply not going to be able to put lightweight big men out there who can shoot threes but not defend. Look at Adelman's Sacramento team for example: was Vlade Divac a triple threat? What about Doug Christie? Yes they could score, but the point is that you cater to each player's strength. Vlade was a great passer and could make people pay if they gave him an open lane to a lay-up. Christie was like an inferior Battier. We'll be fine.
U kinda proved my point. The sox got a lot of 1 dimensional guys. Vlade or webber at the high post were great passers, good mid range shooters and both could fake the hand off or just get to the hoop. Same for Bibby, Christie, and even peja was more than just a spot up guy at 6'9. Off the bench, a very versitile Hedo, bobby jax was instant offense like benny anders and if u look when they had pollard, corliss, barry and guys like that, those guys had a pretty high skill level. Yao isn't driving by anyone, rafer has no mid range game and is very inconsistent. I do think a version of it will be run, but its not going to look like the kings, nor should it.
Well, we now have some emperical evidence that we can judge with our own eyes. What did everyone think of the offense last night? I have to admit, I didn't think the offense looked anymore smooth in this game than it did at the beginning of the preseason last year, even though the players are all supposedly comfortable with the system now. I predict we revert back to the same offense as last year by midseason if not earlier. Maybe this team just doesn't have the personel to run Adelman's offense.
The guys that have the skills and bball IQ to run the Princeton offense - TMac, Scola, Landry, Artest, Barry and actually Luther has shown he can cut and move without the basketball and would be great in this offense but he's just a bonehead at times when it comes to doing certain things on the floor, mainly the bounce pass and passing up open shots and getting owned by white guys that look like Ashton Kutcher Battier - has the IQ but not quick enough to make the cuts and move without the ball Alston - horrible outside shooter and mediocre midrange game so can't be a dependable outlet on offense when the defense draws to the main guys Yao - sadly, this offense doesn't seem to fit him. One, he still thinks about what to do before he does it, doesn't come naturally to him. Also still too slow make the picks and move without the ball fast enough where defense is on its heels the whole time running the offense. Still no reliable midrange jumper, which is important in the offense. Brooks - still somewhat clueless and needs to learn basic passing skills Hayes - too limited offensively Dorsey - he's a rookie, won't even get much minutes Right now I'd say there's an issue because we got the starting PG and backup PG who has weaknesses in their games that will hinder the offense to running at it's full capacity because the ball will be in their hands alot, therefore we may have to draw back to the old offense again. Mike Bibby and Terry Porter were great PGs for this offense as they could pass and shoot pretty well, not seeing both skills in Rafer and Aaron.
This is the lineup I think can run it the best. Scola Artest Mcgrady Barry Alston Anything other that, problems will occur.
That's what I think. I'm not so much against Rick's O-plan but we don't have the team to run it effectively - so I guess you can put me down for against Rick's offense with the current roster. I'm not a Yao-Only-Fan but he will suffer them most and he's too good to allow him to be a weakness out on the court. They need to trade him for players that fit the plan if they are 100% sold on the offense.
Seeing whether or not players execute an offense effectively has little to do with who is NOT on the floor. Alston, Head, Yao and Scola were all on the team last season and Artest has played in this offense before and picked it up fine. Having no McGrady should not have effected how poorly all these other players seemed to move without the ball. I just didn't see many cuts or movement. Still a lot of standing around. T-Mac will help create open shots for others when he gets back, but the other players are not going to magically start moving without the ball just because he is on the floor. They are supposed to be doing this regardless of the personel out there.
Actually, according to DaDakota and many others last season, McGrady was the one primarily responsible for keeping the Rockets from running their movement offense. So, based on that, you'd think without T-Mac the offense wouldn't look so stagnant. Maybe all is well, and the Grizzlies have just transformed themselves into an awesome defensive force this year.
Well, while I know you were mostly joking about the Grizz, I do think that their youth and aggressive athleticism would be exactly the kryptonite that could neutralize a good Adelman type offense. I think that is partly why Scola looked so bad last night. But still, even if the athletes make it difficult to get open on your cuts and around your screens, you should still at least be RUNNING the cuts and screens. We'll know more as the preseason trudges on...but I did not get a warm fuzzy feeling from last nights game (fortunately this team has proven that they are still VERY formidable even without the Adelman offense in place).
Did we watch the same game last night? Guys were in constant motion, outside of a few iso's for Yao, Artest, and especially Brooks. The problem last night was not with movement, but with bad passes leading to turnovers. We ran the offense but simply did not run it well. Our very first score was on a broken play due to a late pass by Yao to a nicely cutting Head, who immediately passed to Scola for a layup. In the regular season, I want Head to score off that first cut. I have the game recorded and Brent Barry played quite a few minutes last night. Why don't you focus on Barry and count how many total seconds he stood still on offense? Yes, you'll have to measure it in seconds because the man never stopped moving. Hell, we looked more like the Memphis Tigers than the Houston Rockets. You act as if one guy held the ball for the entire shot clock and we settled for a jumper. Not the case.
You would rather us only discuss Rockets Power Dancers? We only have one preseason game to go on. I think everyone in here has recognized that it isn't a whole lot of data, but we have discussed our impressions based on what we have. ****ting all over those discussions like your post does nothing to further the quality of this BBS. And really, how is the simply yes/no question of whether or not people thought the players that were on the floor for this game were executing Adelman's offense overanalyzing?
