thank you yao supporter...it looks like all the haters on the poll are tmac lovers now to me, i support tmac, but i think this poll is just in that ppl give their reasons why each of these players can be role players isn't that what clutchfans is all about??
dang yao is come back to take the lead and yet he's never been/asked to be in the position to lead us by himself
As much as I respect Yao's fans....but I have to agree with this. I know Yao is maybe the top big man right now in the NBA but damn we have seen this throughout years. Without Yao we at least can win in regular season, without T-Mac we can't. I think after that the question is EASY
A solid proof that there are way more T O Fs than Y O Fs. This is a thinly disguised thread to expose the only-fans.
Just take a glance at this page and I could spot few T O Fs already ...tmac_1 ...Jeff Who ....sook...
This may have been asked already, but where is the "neither" option? There are only a handful of players in the league who are truly capable of single-handedly carrying a team for a significant stretch of games. I don't think Yao or T-Mac are among them.
I know he has never been out of the 1st round but that is true and it should just close this conversation
read all my posts. he's my fav on the team, but if you can give me a good package, tmac can bounce. the question asks b/t yao and tmac. yao was never a franchise player where he was asked to lead this team ala hakeem or the prime duncan or kg.
I like B. Roy a lot, i would trade Tracy for him, or even a good PG or w.e, but threads like for Manu? Are you kidding me? A lot of people take for granted what we have..
A Ppece I wrote 2 and a half weeks ago for another site: Tracy McGray....He's a Keeper He's never been out of the first round. He's always injured. He plays with no Heart. 19 million dollars!?! Trade Him. When Tracy McGrady first arrived from the Orlando Magic, he was widely perceived as "the Savior" who along with Yao Ming would bring relevance back to a team that had spent several years sputtering away in the doldrums of the NBA. As time passed, what were seemingly small chips in the paint begin to form cracks in the walls. Like meeting a fine girl for the first time, one is oblivious from the flaws that have yet to be exposed. Tracy McGrady is fine player. He is a 7-time All-Star with 2 Scoring Titles to his name and if you were to ask the players that have played against or with him, they will tell you that he is one of the most gifted players to touch a basketball, EVER. With his immense talents, he likewise has his flaws. Tracy McGrady is a human being, like you and I. He's well aware of the media that questions his heart and the bandwagon fans that scream "OFF WITH HIS HEAD, TRADE HIM ALREADY" every single time the Rockets stumble through a rough patch in the road. Because Mr. "It's On Me" carries a 19-million dollar price tag and the distinction of being the "Greatest Player to Never Make It Out of the First Round", people have come to the conclusion that Tracy McGrady is a loser, and even worse, a "Player with no Heart". I beg to differ. In his 4 seasons with the Rockets he along with the Rockets have amassed a regular season record of 192-136, a .580 winning % along with 3 competitive, yet heartbreaking trips to the playoffs. To put that into perspective, in the FIVE previous Stevie "Franchise" Years the Rockets amassed a record of 195-215 with a .475 Winning % in the regular season with one, ONE, read, UNO playoff appearance which pretty much ended before it even started against the Lakers. So who's fault was it that the Rockets were simple marginal-at-best and at sometimes unbearable to watch during the seasons preceding McGrady's tenure as a Houston Rocket? Rudy Tomjanovich? Caroll Dawson? Steve Francis? Since people seem to believe that there are 19 million reasons to fault McGrady for the team's lack of playoff success and label him a loser, let us take a peek around the league to see who else should be labeled a LOSER and only returning "2 cents on the dollar" shall we? Top NBA Salaries 1. Kevin Garnett Boston $23,750,000 2. Michael Finley Dallas / San Antonio $21,696,750 3. Stephon Marbury New York $20,109,375 -. Allen Iverson Denver $20,109,375 5. Shaquille O'Neal Phoenix $20,000,000 6. Jason Kidd Dallas $19,728,000 7. Jermaine O'Neal Indiana $19,710,000 8. Chris Webber Golden State $19,596,244 9. Kobe Bryant LA Lakers $19,490,625 10. Tim Duncan San Antonio $19,014,187 -. Tracy McGrady Houston $19,014,187 12. Baron Davis Golden State $16,440,000 -. Shawn Marion Phoenix $16,440,000 -. Steve Francis Portland / Houston $16,440,000 15. Antawn Jamison Washington $16,360,095 -. Dirk Nowitzki Dallas $16,360,095 -. Paul Pierce Boston $16,360,095 18. Ray Allen Boston $16,000,000 19. Rashard Lewis Orlando$15,600,000 20. Ben Wallace Cleveland$15,500,000 21. Elton Brand LA Clippers $15,344,000 22. Michael Redd Milwaukee $14,520,000 23. Mike Bibby Atlanta $14,175,000 24. Yao Ming Houston $13,762,775 -. Amare Stoudemire Phoenix $13,762,775 26. Pau Gasol LA Lakers $13,709,375 -. Andrei Kirilenko Utah $13,709,375 28. Lamar Odom LA Lakers $13,524,000 29. Joe Johnson Atlanta $13,488,377 30. Zach Randolph New York $13,488,377 Looking at the makeup of the NBA’s highest-paid players, there are 10 players that make more money than Tracy McGrady. Of those ten players, only three of them (Garnett, Bryant, Duncan) can arguably be said to make significant contributions to their respective teams. And if you look about two spots below McGrady…you see…let’s not even go there. I mean the guy was riding pine on the Knicks and was paid $30 million to LEAVE the Blazers… However, onto another point, since everybody seems to define success by playoff success, let us analyze a little further shall we. Of those ten players, only four of them are still playing in the playoffs this year with two of them representing the same team (Spurs). While KG has two other budding All-Stars (Pierce and Allen) to help him carry the load, Bryant has finally found his Robin (Gasol), and Duncan likewise has team of International Superstars (Parker and Ginobili), McGrady has…a streetball legend (Skip To My Lou), 1000 year-old Relic (Mutombo), Flava Flav (Bobby Jackson, but that was definitely Flav that showed up in the Playoffs) to work with. Every single night McGrady is asked to score all the points, help facilitate the offense, be a great defender (not saying he is), I think there may be SOME reason as to why he may “run out of gas” in the 4th Quarter. Nobody in the league, and I mean NOBODY is asked to do more for his team than Tracy McGrady. Some of you may say, what about LeBron James? What about LeBron James? His team won 45 games in the (L)Eastern Conference while the Rockets won 10 MORE games in a more competitive conference without significant pieces cough*YAO MING*cough for extended periods of time. OK then, what about Kobe Bryant? HAH, Kobe may be the best damn player in the league, but prior to this season he never ONCE took the Lakers past the First Round of the playoffs following the departure of Shaq (its also covenient when you've got a Gasol and swiped in for nothing). It is also my understanding that Kobe wasn’t exactly shy about calling out teammates (BYNUM),management (KUPCHAK), and even the coach (JACKSON) when things weren’t going the KOBE way. He had pretty much bailed on his own teammates this past off-season and was playing hard-to-get with management until they finally were able to dupe the Grizzlies into giving up Gasol for a little more than a bag of chips. Now Houston fans, for a player that “plays with no heart” and is a “perpetual loser”, you have to admit Tracy McGrady is one, pretty resilient guy. Despite the unfortunate events (i.e. injuries to Yao Ming) and what can only be described as a rag-tag group of professional ballers, he has never ONCE complained about his role on the team or come even remotely close as to TURN HIS BACK on his team. When Yao Ming went down last year, he rose up to the occasion and led to the Rockets to a playoff berth it what ultimately was a heart-breaking 7-game series (extra painful for me as I was actually at this game). When he had “accepted the role” as the team’s leader and declared that it was “On Me”, he was absolutely VILIFIED by a media who had decided to exploit the “2nd Round Virgin” tag and portray him as being pompous and selfish. However, let’s be honest here, if the Rockets were to lose and they did, Tracy McGrady was due for beat down from a self-serving media and un-knowledgeable fans (The one’s that say he shoots too much when the Rockets win, but doesn’t shoot enough when they lose; YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE). Fast forward to this year, amidst a season-high win streak of 12 games, the Rockets receive the devastating news that Yao Ming was finished for the season. Playoff hopes were thrown out the window as analyst upon analyst (Charley “Rockets Hater” Rosen, Chris Hollinger, Stephen A. Smith to name a few) had declared the Rockets, “deader than dead”. With solid contributions from the team, Tracy McGrady was able to lead the team to not only the top of the Western Conference at one point, a miraculous 22-game win streak that made the team the talk of the town, and another trip to the playoffs where the Rockets would do battle against the much-hated Jazz. After being bounced from the playoffs in the 1st Round, fingers are a-pointing and once again we are back to exactly where we were a year ago. Trade him. For whom exactly? The number of players that possess Tracy McGrady’s size and offensive prowess are few and far between. On top of that, how many of those guys also possess the court vision and the unselfishness to help make their teammates better. One, maybe two. LeBron and Kobe (the jury is still out on him as for the unselfish part). You are obviously NOT going to get those two players in return. In other words…how about let’s NOT be Memphis and shoot ourselves in the foot. If you were to trade Tracy McGrady away for say the likes of Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, or Shawn Marion; who’s going to be able to feed Yao the ball or get the whole team involved? Rafer Alston, the only other person who has been scrutinized by Rockets bandwagon fans as much as McGrady? Flava “Always Looking for My Own Shot” Flav? Or maybe Luther “the Whole World Cringes when I put the ball on the Floor” Head? I didn’t think so. Sometimes, the best trades are the ones never made. But he’s ALWAYS injured. More injury-prone than Chris Webber, Jermaine O’Neal, Shaquille O’Neal, Steve Francis, Baron Davis or maybe unproductive like Stephon Marbury, Ben Wallace, Michael Finley, and so on. As you can see, the Rockets don’t have it NEARLY as bad as some of the other teams in the League and maybe Tracy McGrady does do more than MOST of the players making similarly gargantuan amounts of money. If you watched the Rockets-Jazz series; you witnessed a man playing with a torn labrum (shoulder) and essentially one leg averaging a near-triple double for the series trying to “impose his will” as he likes to say on an obviously over-matched Rockets team so they can extend their season one more game, while delaying the on-slaught of Tracy McGrady bashing following an inevitable end to a spectacular season. The Rockets certainly made a believer out of me. Tracy McGrady made a believer out of me. Tracy McGrady has flaws. He is after all, human; like you and I. He is also an immensely talented basketball player who due to his deceiving “sleepy-eyed” look often has people questioning his heart and desire as a player. If you even watched the Rockets-Jazz series this year, you saw a player who laid it all on the line for his team and for all Houston Rockets fans. While he may not be perfect, how many of us actually are? Tracy McGrady is human. Tracy McGrady is a basketball player. Tracy McGrady is a winner (at least in my book). But most importantly, Tracy McGrady is a Keeper.
Why did you make this poll if we have both of them? I want the rockets to team-handedly win the NBA!!
