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The real question: Yao or T-Mac

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by vstexas09, May 25, 2008.

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Who can carry the Rockets in their prime?

  1. Yao

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  2. T Mac

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  1. sook

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    Since i joined clutchfans, i've been asking people at school and at the games to register and told them how cool it was. Lots of people know about the site but they said that there are too many idiots on the site, and they just make it look meaningless.
     
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    Wow, so you are practically saying that whoever doesn't agree with you and vote otherwise is an idiot. Wait, let me give you a chance to deny that's what you actually mean. Otherwise, I will have to say you are the definition of an idiot. And who are 'those people at your school' that say there are too many idiots on this site? They must all be 3rd graders, right? Or otherwise those fools are also the definition of an idiot.
     
  3. ibm

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    "at school"? that's why... lol.
     
  4. A00man

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    With Yao and no T-Mac, we do not sniff the playoffs. With T-Mac and no Yao, we get to the playoffs but will ultimately lose in the 1st round.

    In other words, T-Mac is EASILY more important to the Rockets. Without him, we are nothing.
     
  5. ibm

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    many say had rafer played every game, we might've very well advanced to the 2nd round.

    so rafer is more important than mcgrady?

    with yao and sf3, we were 1 and done. with yao and mcgrady, same. so "mathematically", sf3 = mcgrady?
     
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    at his elementary school.
     
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    In other words, you expect Yao to be able to beat out Boozer when running down rebounds and chasing after loose balls. Don't you realize that Boozer is faster, more mobile, more agile, and has better hands?

    Basically, I want tmac to play near his potential. You want Yao to exceed his potential.

    And you say that my logic is bad...

    Poo poo head?
     
  8. badgerfan

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    Why would you even want to play the pick and roll with any player, regardless of who it is? The pick and roll is not a motion offense play.

    Yao IS a playmaker when he's doubled--at least he's good enough. You really seem to be ignorant of how a motion offense is supposed to be played. Yao doesn't need to get the ball to the open man directly--if the Rockets do a good enough job as a whole of moving the ball it should make its way to an open player. As I've said over and over the success the Rockets had this season was largely due to a double team on Yao, Yao kicking the ball out, and then the other Rockets stepping up and making the other team pay for the double team. That's why Scola wrote in his blog about how much he missed Yao, about how much easier the game was with Yao playing. Once Yao was out any hope for the postseason pretty much went down the drain.
     
  9. Jeff Who

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    Well pick and roll is sometimes goo but of course not with T-Mac, not now.

    Rockets were moving the ball, they did a great job of sharing the ball, without McGrady we started to do that but even with him we still were doing that.

    Yao is a pretty good passer bt still his turnovers are sometimes careless. It is good to have Yao inside because it opens up so many open shooters, but Yao still needs to work on cutting his turnovers.

    It was easy when Yao went down, you can't win anything without your key player, key person playing inside.
     
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    I'm going to repeat myself until I'm blue in the face.

    1) A double team on Yao may be detrimental for Yao but it's a net advantage for the rest of the team. Any team which is forced to double a player on offense is automatically at a disadvantage. The Rockets sucked so badly in the past because they could never exploit that double team on Yao.
    2) Yao demands a double team more consistently than any other player in the league, much less any other player on the Rockets.
    3) This season we saw what happens when the Rockets started to figure out how to score off the double on Yao, first with Bonzi and later with Scola and Landry. The Rockets went on to a huge regular season record after a truly crappy start.

    For those reason Yao is the lynchpin, the centerpiece of the Rockets offense. Get Yao the ball, wait for the double team, profit.
     
  11. Jeff Who

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    That right but that doesn't mean Yao is better (in carrying his team) than T-Mac.

    1) Tracy has more asist

    2) Just look at records, with and without McGrady. That will tell you EVERYTHING

    3) T-Mac also breates a lot of open 3s, layups, etc with his double teams.
     
  12. t_mac1

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    the question is answered from the W-L records from the past 4 years. look at that and you know the answer. no need for argument. the proof is in front of our eyes.
     
  13. sook

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    Yes..
     
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    No..im actually in college lol, but sure and it was supposed to be a somewhat nonserious lol
     
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    yao averaged 11 rebounds PER GAME going into game 7. you want to know how many he had in game 7? freakin' SIX on 40 minutes of playing time. that's inexcusable. so his potential as he has shown throughout his career is double digit rebounding. so it's not a tough task to ask him to grab a few more, esp. in that crucial juncture of the game.

    the potential for tmac and yao right now should be the same. they both should play much better than they are. if we have a better team, we probably should advance right now b/c the level they both have played at is relatively good to great.

    all i know is tmac is not the tmac of orlando. yao is not "that guy." both are borderline superstar players right now. morey's job is to get them a better team b/c we have seen the best of them at this stage in their career. tmac is not going to be better. yao is not going to be better. but their current play is good enough to do big things if we surround them with a much better team. these 2 have very little to work with outside of scola in terms of offensive help.
     
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    Trying to figure out who's a better player between the two isn't going to be productive. The positions they play are too distinct--it's comparing apples and oranges.

    But in terms of which one is more important in the offensive scheme I don't think there's any question that it's Yao. So far as individual pieces go he's the biggest one.
     
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    And one more thing, a comparison of records with and without should be made for this coach and this offense. I like JvG a lot but there's no question that between the two Adelman is the more creative and the better at figuring out how to utilize Yao and more importantly how to integrate him into the offense. And this year the team played pretty well when T-Mac sat out with injuries, although that's probably due to the improved team play more than anything else.
     
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    that can be the case. but with adelman, we still played exceptionally well without yao. with JVG or adelman, our ability to play at a high level without yao has to say for something.

    our offense doesn't have a big drop off without yao. our defense definitely gets better without yao. that's why we have been able to win at a % that is on par when even playing without yao.

    i don't care who's better between the two. all i'm saying is tmac is the guy we can least afford to lose.
     
  19. wekko368

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    11 rebounds a game for Yao means that the ball bounced to him 11 times. No matter what you think, he's one of the slowest in the league at chasing down rebounds.

    Once again, you expect him to do more than what he is physically capable of. I dont understand why this is so difficult for you to comprehend.

    Wrong. Utterly, absolutely, and without a doubt WRONG. Tmac is a streak shooter. He can put up 30 pts in a half on a variety of shots. He has shown glimpses of his Orlando days. Thats his potential, and its greater than Yao's. Yao just happens to be more dependable and consistent (most likely due to better training).
     
  20. t_mac1

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    are you seriously going to make that excuse? if you're going to do that, might as well use the sclerosis excuse and make that for tmac for not reaching his full potential.

    rebound is about effort. yes, yao is slow. but 2 of the 3 rebounds is due to a lack of blocking out by yao ming. one rebound that was way out in the 3pt line is not his fault (nobody expects a 7'6 to run out to the 3pt line to grab rebounds). but 2 of the 3 missed rebounds are due to him not blocking out boozer.

    and one rebound was with boozer OUT-TIPPING HIM.

    have you seen dikembe mutombo? he's freakin' slower than yao ming laterally the past few yrs. have you seen him gone up to try to dunk? it's slower than my grandpa. but there's a reason why he can get 10+ rebounds playing 20-25 mins a game for a short while before his body gives out -> HE BOXES OUT CONSISTENTLY. you don't see guys out-tipping mutombo for rebounds very much.

    excuses are fine. but that's a dumb excuse. yao didn't miss one rebound, he missed THREE on ONE POSSESSION.
     

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