i think my side represents not letting people talk **** about my dead relatives at the funeral of my mother.
Right. I handled the event at my mother's memorial service with EXTREME grace and in case you didn't get the story right... I SHUT IT DOWN. There is nothing to be gained in being a petulant ass.
So Pat Tillman's beliefs weren't relevant? I don't think any of us would blame you if you had cussed her out. The fact that you brought this up also shows that her attitude did bother you to some extent.
Considering that you stated religious remarks at the funeral of an atheist as being normal I'm not sure you are in a position to be talking about tolerance.
Ask the Tillman family. They are the ones who sold out/caved in to the national TV audience and all that accompanied that-- politicians includled. Of course what she said about my dad bothered me to some extent. That's why I shut it down gracefully. My mom's friend said what she said out of fondness for my mother; she didn't throw my dad under the bus. It was really a minor observation about their personalities and their relationship. Cussing her out would have been an atrocious response. I find great humor in the call here for me to have done something like that. Life is not a comic book! My sister-in-law was part of that conversation. She heartily complimented me about how tenderly and generously I handled the matter. It was part of my mom's friend's grieving process. What she said had some truthful aspect to it but it could have spun out of control had we gone down that path and the day was to celebrate my mom not to criticize my dad-- regardless of the degree or accuracy.
What night will my notice be running? I want to set my DVR for a show I never watch. I'll also want to let my friends know. This is a kind of reverse badge of honor.
I'm not joking. You strike me as a genuinely horrible person. I feel really bad for anybody who knows you or has had the misfortune of meeting you.
Do you even know what that word means? I'm guessing not. Tolerance does not mean I have to like or respect you.
So in the same light we should blame you then for having this woman at your dad's funeral who said unkind things about your dad. And the Tillman's didn't raise this at the funeral, although I wouldn't blame them if they did, but waited until after. Keep in mind too that it should be obvious that issues about faith and belief are not minor. Let me ask you a rhetorical question. Iman Rauf spoke at Daniel Pearl's (a Jew) funeral. Now if the Iman had given a speech praising Islam and implying that Daniel Pearl was really a Muslim would you find that acceptable and blame Pearl's widow for inviting the Iman?
Of course I know what it means. What it does mean is that good Americans can get up, when invited, and express what's in THEIR HEARTS for a fallen hero without being reviled by a bunch of keyboard warriors six years after the fact. tol·er·ance /ˈtɒlərəns/ Show Spelled[tol-er-uhns] Show IPA –noun 1. a fair, objective, and permissive attitude toward those whose opinions, practices, race, religion, nationality, etc., differ from one's own; freedom from bigotry.
Trudy made her remarks to me as she came in the door in the gathering area outside of the church. She wasn't invited to take a microphone and she didn't wrest it away from anyone either. Was there even an issue about this before the trotted this little video clip on Maher's show last week? I don't remember anything. I guess I would have to blame Pearl's widow for INVITING that to her husband's funeral. Iman Rauf is just doing what he does. It's like blaming a great white shark for eating seals; sharks gotta eat too. Why would you invite Rauf and then censor what you know he's going to want to say? Why even invite him?
Tolerance does not make you immune from criticism. My fair and objective attitude is that you are a terrible person and that those in question at the funeral conducted themselves poorly. I tolerate asshats, I don't accept or encourage them.
In truth Rauf went and didn't impose any of Islamic beliefs onto Daniel Pearl. Rauf handled himself much better and with much more respect than McCain, or Maria did. Also for the record Rauf is not a "that". He's a human. You don't have any place to talk about other folks tolerance.
Name-calling is not criticism. If you can't stick to the topic without resorting to calling names, you are losing.
Here is the "that" to which I was referring. Your words: "Now if the Iman had given a speech praising Islam and implying that Daniel Pearl was really a Muslim..." I was referring to a that which was a circumstance you described not just the person.
