The "Random Rocket Trade Proposals" Thread - 2007 Offseason

Fixed

 

To back up what is being said.............
LET me repeat it for the 20th time we are in need of a PLaymaker Point Guard who can also shoot when called upon to do so not a Point Guard who is a scorer!!

 

I know it's the offseason and the fun thing to do is brainstrorm and think of 1,000 different ways to try to improve the team. I know plenty of posters on here have constant wet dreams about another blockbuster trade to shake things up and what not. I just can't see any profound moves being made so I have a hard time acknowledging all these "OMG!!!! YAO FOR K-MART!?!" trade rumors.

I think you're way off with your assessment that the gap between us and the likes of Phoenix, Dallas, SA, Detroit and Utah is that great and that "drastic changes" are needed. Granted, we stunk up the joint against the elite teams in the regular season but you could make the arguement that we were one player away from a first round exit and the Western Conference Finals.

I get it, dude. We need talent. Everybody on the BBS knows we're too thin, too predictable and not athletic enough. What I also get is we have two of the best players in the league on the same team. They have chemistry, they complement each other well and both are only 26/27-years-old. At the same time, if we were to trade one of the big two it would obviously be T-Mac. T-Mac is the oldest 27-year-old in the league. With his back concerns and horrible "0-6" stigma that he's yet to shed, it's easy to assume that he would be deemed expendable if the Rockets were forced to choose between him or Yao. There's absolutely NO WAY you trade Yao considering his steady improvement and his ability to (at times) be the most unguardable player in the league.

If one of those two had to be dealt, it's T-Mac. What I have a hard time picturing is T-Mac hypothetically being traded for anything other than somebody in a similar situation. T-Mac is likely considered to be damaged goods around the league. I'm sure there are plenty of execs and analysts that simply feel he's too injury prone and not a good enough playoff performer to carry a team. Obviously, we as Rockets fans, know he's still a superb all-around player that can be the best player on the floor when healthy but look at how AI, Shaq and others were dealt. $.50 to the $1. You, along with plenty of other posters, for some reason seem to have this belief that we can trade a superstar like T-Mac for two borderline superstars in return. I just don't see it. Call me crazy, I just can't see T-Mac getting traded for anything other overpaid stars in bad situations like the Francis's, the Marbury's, the Marion's, etc of the world.

A 52 win team, that was a couple of self-inflicted gun shot wounds away from winning both Games 6/7, doesn't need to blow up their core. What we need is our new GM and our scouts to prove their worth. Adding a player like Francis, perhaps patching up things with that sack of **** Bonzi, drafting well and finally finding a useful way to use the MLE are all ways to provide a significant talent upgrade to this team. Those changes sound "drastic" enough for me.

 

Not bad at all.

 

Please! Several years ago, Mavs thought LaFrentz was there answer for that missing man in the middle, signed him to a huge contract. He never lived up to it. There is a reason he is trade from team to team. He has two years left total about $25M!! It is really strange that you guys at one hand complain about Juwan, on the other hand is willing to take a guy like LaFrentz.

 

Juwan doesn't come with 4 second round draft picks in a deep draft. A whole lot of 2-3-4's that could be hidden gems.

 

TMac + Juwan + rox 1st rounder

for

Suckyack, Green, Rondo, Jefferson


or

TMac for

Suckyak, Green, Rondo, #4 pick


eh, not really sure. Interesting though.

 

Well, I haven't done a muti team deal in a while, so here goes.

Houston sends T-Mac to Denver.
Houston sends Head to Toronto.

Denver sends KMart/Nene to Toronto.
Denver sends J.R.Smith to Houston.

Toronto sends Bargnani/Nesterovic/Jose Calderon to Houston.
Toronto sends Garbajosa to Denver.

The net result:

Houston gets:

J.R.Smith (SG)
Bargnani (PF)
Nesterovic (C)
Calderon (PG)

Denver gets:

T-Mac (SG/SF)
Garbajosa (PF)

Toronto gets:

Head (PG)
Kmart (PF)
Nene (C)

I'd give my commentary, but it's late & I need to go to sleep. I'll try to get back to it tomorrow evening.

 

You know this lottery thing really blew up in puck a$$ Ainge's face. He really needs a superstar. I think he might just be stupid enough to do it and send Pierce away for KG or something.

I would be satisfied w/ Green and #4.

 

It probably won't happen. They have Pierce, Green.They don't need T-Mac. What they need is another athletic big to pair with Jefferson. Boston has the 5th pick,not the 4th.Getting KG for Pierce plus others won't be easy either.

 

Quit making excuses. The main thing you left off is Tmac is not a winner.

 

I appreciate your arguments. They are reasonable, but I can't agree that tweaking this team is enough. I agree that Yao is all but untouchable. It would have to be a Hershal Walker type robbery to move Yao, but Tracy should be on the table. I would even support trading Tracy for a bunch of expiring contracts and suffering through next year for the salary cap relief and the chance to build around Yao starting in 2008/2009.

With T-Mac's salary on the books for the next 4 years, we are screwed. Decent players that come with the MLE are going to require 3 or 4 year contracts which will further paralyze us and won't get us to the promised land.

It is totally subjective and will always cause a huge outcry on this board, but I don't believe that Tracy is a great player. He is a very good player that shoots a crappy percentage and takes lousy shots that when missed almost always cause a bucket on the other end. I have never witnessed a player that could flip the momentum away from his team as quickly as T-Mac and one of his half-court 3's at exactly the wrong time.

 

any team on the receiving end of KMarts contract (4 years, 59m) needs to be getting the most talent out of the deal...neither nene or a healthy kmart really compliment bosh or the style of play toronto is trying to implement either.

I wouldn't be opposed to anyone you suggested receiving, although J.R. is a chucker with very little IQ so I would pass on him.

I'll give you credit though, the salaries do match up, and thats alot of flip flopping

 

I don't understand with the obsession to trade T-Mac. He is one of the best point-forwards in the league and you want him gone for a bunch of a projects or rookies. Man you people are crazy to think these trades are going to get you a championship. If you are worried about the money then that's just ridiculous because some lesser players like Chris Webber and Stephon Marbury make more money than he does. Even his unmotivated cousin will make same kind of money this offseason. The only reason you would trade a guy is if your are getting something similar or upgrade in return like Kobe. Other than that you'd be foolish to trade such a versatile player. You cry because his back is broken then go cry to your management for abusing him as a PG instead of getting him another play maker which has been long overdue. Of course a guy is going to break down when you are going to ask him to play the offense through him and run the whole show. You want to whine about trading someone then it should be our PGs who have failed miserably to run an offense. Yes Rafer Alston should be gone as afterthought relic of JVG who loved this non-play making horrible shooting pg. Until you get T-Mac a quality PG, don't cry about his shortcomings.

 

NEW RANDOM TRADE PROPOSAL:

Now that Atlanta secured the #3 pick of the draft, they are in somewhat of a quandary: Do they reach at #3 and take Mike Conley, Jr., the PG that they desperately need? Do they trade down to get Conley somewhere between #5 and #8? Or do they take the best player available at #3, which should most likely be Brandan Wright, Al Horford or Yi Jianlian. All of these guys are PFs, which leads to my proposal:

Would the Hawks be willing to part with Shelden Williams?

Assuming that Altanta picks the best player available at #3, it will have a glut at PF. The Hawks will have their lotto pick, Marvin Williams (a SF/PF who got most of the PF minutes for the Hawks last year due to the team's glut of SFs) and Lorenzen Wright. I don't think the Hawks will want to pay Marvin Williams, Shelden Williams AND their lotto pick to all play the same position. Since Marvin has such tremendous skills and the lotto pick will probably be a player superior to Shelden, the "Landlord" may become available in trade.

Altanta has to pay Josh Smith, Josh Childress and Salim Stoudamire this summer, so they might need to trim some salary off their cap. Maybe we can do the following trade:

Juwan Howard, Bob Sura, cash and a first round pick
for
Shelden Williams and Speedy Claxton

This trade would allow Atlanta to clear some cap room by waiving Sura and using the cash to pay his limited salary protection (~$1M) and by dumping Claxton and the remaining 3 yrs/~$20M left on his deal. He had a bad year last season, and the Hawks might want to go in another direction. Also, the Hawks desperately need veteran leadership. Say what you will about Juwan's play, but he has been a VERY positive influence in the locker room for the Rockets and is a major part of the good team chemistry in Houston.

Thoughts?

 

The only one whining here is you. You say we have to get a quality point guard or another playmaker to help poor T-Mac, but you don't say how. I can hear it now, just bring in Jason Kidd or Mike Bibby. Guess what, you can't bring in another quality point guard or other play making player without giving up T-Mac. Nobody, let me repeat, Nobody that can get us over the top is going to take a pay cut or sign for the MLE to come here. Those proposing to trade T-Mac aren't stupid, they are just trying to be realistic about what he is and what we can achieve with Yao, T-Mac and a bunch of scrubs (Battier included).

 

Atlanta would have to be stupid to do this. Oh wait, it is Atlanta. Go for It!

 

KG
K9
Tmac
Lewis
Bibby

or


KG
K9
Lewis
Tmac
SF3

 

i heard on ESPN yesterday that with Portland getting the first pick, they think Randolph is expendable and they probably will trade him..however he isn't that attractive because of his contract so they would probably have to throw in one of their younger players to get somebody to take him for that money!....come on Morey, LES or whoever is claling the shots, make it happen....
i don't kn ow about pairing 2 head cases (big boy bonzi and randolph) will do but would be a nice lineup!!

 

1) Howard + Battier for K9 and Artest

Sacto exits 3 years of K9 for 2 years of Howard
Sacto exits Artest, gets replacement in Battier

2) Howard + Sura for Channing Frye and Q

NY exits 3 years of Q for 2 of Howard
NY said to be unlikely to pay Frye, with Lee and Balkman higher priorities

3) Rafer Alston + Luther Head for Mike James

Minnesota gets 2 for 1 - James not a fit in Minnesota
Houston gets dynamic scorer