The "Random Rocket Trade Proposals" Thread - 2007 Offseason

I would love for all that to happen, except the Francis part. I don't know what the fascination with Francis is on this board. He wasn't great when he was here and has gotten steadily worse every year. He was AWFUL in New York. He is an incessant whiner, with no bball IQ, a crappy shot, no defense, and has even become injury prone. Say no to drugs and Steve Francis.

 

Bad trade for us considering Artest is a throw away in the Kings mind right now and Bibby is coming off his worst year. I'd happily take Bibby if he is crazy enough to opt out, but I doubt he will give up that much cash.

I'd do this in a heart beat, but I doubt Philly would. It's not like TMac is going to carry them there any more than he has carried teams any where else he has been play off wise.

MAYBE, but I don't think that really improves us much if at all. I guess it depends on how high you are on Thomas.

I'd consider any of those 3, with the Micheal Redd/Mo Williams probably being my favorite considering how much we lose in the back court with no TMac.

 

Good post. I agree Bibby and Artest is probably too big a gamble.

The Chicago trade would give us our point guard for the future and PF now and much needed cap space when PJ Brown came off the books.

My favorite is the Clipper trade followed by the Milwaukee trade.

 

I think the Mil. trade is most feasable, but only if they believe they have what it takes to win it all with what they are getting in the draft.

the Clippers would never do that trade, as much as we could dream...

the Chicago trade would be my vote if Brown still had an expiring, because then we would be given added cap flexibility to go out and find pieces to fit around Yao. Unfortunately he is a free agent so that trade wouldn't work under the cap...

 

Crap, I knew my lack of research would bite me sooner or later. I disagree on the Clipper trade though. The Clippers have a complex about up-staging the lakers. T-Mac vs. Kobe might be too much for them to pass on. Maybe just T-Mac for Brand straight up.

 

Nice Mr. Pete, I prefer the all around skills of Cater and Tmac for Adelman but this team could rain on you from the outside...plus it make Francis and his slashing abilities all the more valuable. Artest at the 4 is just the move to usher in the supposed new era of basketball...Bigger and stronger than Chuck...quicker and faster than Chuck...can guard Ben Wallace and Manu...I think you try to keep Snyder for depth purposes... However unlikely, it is still a very interesting proposition...Ray Allen was designed to play with an inside guy like Yao... I just fear for our defense...the Sonic guys are kinda cream cakes and Tmac is a pretty good defender...plus I kinda want Tmac to get past the first round with us....alas you did say "if" we are going to blow this team up...
what to you think about just doing the minor trade for Artest and using Battier to get either Carter or Lewis...thus keeping to Core of Tmac and Yao...and adding a kick in the nuts? Even if we don't get Lewis or Carter we can go after Nocioni and end up with...
Francis
Artest
Tmac
Nocioni
Yao
-V

 

I think it is still too early to say anything about "trade proposals", simply bcoz of 2 reasons:

1. Draft picks

Because if Boston gets Oden, they might be willing to trade Al JEfferson (but certainly not to Rockets). Draft picks matter a lot when you see how we acquire Shane Battier this year.

2. Coach

JVG is just fired. Look at last year, we got bunch of players with quality but did not play. I DON'T want to see this happened again this year. We have to acquire players who can play under the system of the new coach.




Yet, I will work on a few things though.

1. Resign Hayes and Deke.

2. Try to upgrade PG. I would trade Luther for Mo. Williams (given that it is a sign and trade). Maybe we have to throw in some players to make the nos. work.

3. I personally insist in keeping T-Mac and Yao.

4. If Francis is cut, I would still pick him.

5. For the list of FA provided above, I would only pick S. Blake. (I think he will stay in Den tho.)



I also don't think we should the T-mac +2 players for S.Marion+Barbosa+Diaw makes sense to me.

Currently, T-Mac is the only play maker. Barbosa is an attacking pg, Diaw always hesitates and his number is dropping (he could only play well if he starts @ center). Suns always hv a higher stat than others, so please take a discount.

 

Earlier in the season, when T-mac and Yao went down with injuries, did anyone on this board suggest that we tank considering a deep draft coming in June? The huge disappointment of this year's playoff made me believe that maybe it was a sign from the above that we should tank, but the rocket's management completely missed it.

 

I don't know if it can be done, but:

Tracy McGrady, Juwan Howard, JLIII or Luther Head to Sacramento

Mike Bibby, Ron Artest, Shareef Abdur-Rahim to Houston.

The Kings have a high draft pick to use on Conley Jr or Acie Law if they trade Bibby. Artest is a head case but played well under Adelman.

Bibby plays well in the post-season. Artest plays well both ends of the floor. T-Mac and Howard with Brad Miller and Kevin Martin would really compete, maybe get back in the playoffs. (Hell, could do better than the Rocks.)

Just an idea. The TMac-Yao thang ain't workin', so...

 

What duo would have been more successful when surrounded by the same marginal talent that T-Mac and Yao have been surrounded with? Seriously, what inside/outside duo could have done any better? Anybody at all?

Winning 52 games when hampered with injuries is generally considered a good thing, isn't it? Why ruin a good thing?

 

With Adelman being our new head coach...I believe Wells will stay...I also beleive the Artest to our team scenerio will pick up steam...we have on mulitble occations shown in...interest in Artest and Artest has shown a lot of interest in playing for Adelman.... we might get the Artest preference ( a la Tmac) and being able to help Kings clear cap (Head, Sura, Snyder)...With Artest at the 4 we will have one of the most dynamic 2-4's in the League...I've said it before... taller, stronger, quicker, bigger, faster than Chuck....and the skills difference is really suppose to be the selling point...Tmac Battier and Artest can defend anybody in the league...Artest's quickness at the 4 compensates for Yao's slowness... hopefully Yao learns better footwork from the Dream...Maybe this is all we need...couple Artest with potentially Francis...and we still have MLE for someone like Nocioni and Battier can be the 6th man.

Francis(28)/Alston(15)/Vspan(5)
Tmac(32)/Wells(16)
Artest(20)/Battier(28)
Nocioni(25)/Artest(10)/Hayes(8)
Yao(34)/Jake(10)/Hayes(4)

Nobody plays well over 30 minutes...Tmac gets to coast...we have potentially 4 other guys that we can go to offensively...we have 3 defensive studs...I think the stat break down goes:
Francis 12ppg 5rpg 5apg
Tmac 22ppg 6rpg 6apg
Artest 16ppg 6rpg 3apg
Nocioni 14ppg 7rpg 2apg
Yao 22ppg 10rpg 3apg

86ppg for our starters
Battier 8ppg
Wells 8ppg
Alston 6ppg

110ppg by the Rockets with an 8 man rotation...very Suns like with the short rotaion and the high end ppg... with so many solid players we can afford to keep the bench short...Hayes will chip in hustle and rebounds at times...this will be our team...
-V

 

personally would like to see the sth like:

yao/juwan <--> Bynum/Odom/Kwame+ 1st round.

Odom fits perfectly with Princeton. Bynum is a promising young center, 7M expiring contract with Kwame and a 1st round pick. Hate to lose yao but don't think he can adapt to the fast pace game nowadays. We get rid of Juwan's contract too.

LA will do it. Phil said no one else in the league can utilize Yao better than himself.

 

I bet one of the promises Les and Morey made to Adelman when they hired him was a pledge to gut the team by trading Yao or T-Mac. Right?!?!

 

Les probably promised Adelman about 5M and he said yes.

Who knows what Adelman thinks about the T-Mac/Yao tandem. I don't think anybody on this board would want to trade T-Mac or Yao if they felt we had the flexibility/ability to build a champion around them. Most people advocating the trade of one or the other have just reached the conclusion that you cannot add the pieces necessary to make us contenders given our salary cap situation. We may be a tweak away from beating Utah, but the gap between us and Phoenix, Dallas, San Antonio, and Detroit is huge. Don't forget that Golden State is young and coming on. Utah will get a draft pick about the same time as we will and has a history of actually getting something with their pick. How about a full year of Iverson/Carmello. Without drastic personnel changes we are going to get further away from a title not closer, especially if one of two injury prone stars comes up lame again.

 

so basically we get artest and nocioni for nothing...

 

Luther Head for JJ Reddick


With the team going to be changing offensive sets and become more passing oriented, I would like the Rockets to try to get Reddick from Orlando.

Reddick is a better passer and is bigger than Luther, and will probably become a much better shooter......especially on the curls at the high post.

Houston Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Luther Head
6-3 PG from Illinois
10.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 27.6 minutes
John Lucas
5-11 PG from Oklahoma State
3.3 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.2 minutes
Incoming
J.J. Redick
6-5 SG from Duke
6.0 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.8 minutes
Change in team outlook: -8.2 ppg, -2.7 rpg, and -2.2 apg.


Orlando Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
J.J. Redick
6-5 SG from Duke
6.0 ppg, 1.2 rpg, 0.9 apg in 14.8 minutes
Incoming
Luther Head
6-3 PG from Illinois
10.9 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 2.4 apg in 27.6 minutes
John Lucas
5-11 PG from Oklahoma State
3.3 ppg, 0.8 rpg, 0.7 apg in 8.2 minutes
Change in team outlook: +8.2 ppg, +2.7 rpg, and +2.2 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Houston and Orlando being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Houston and Orlando had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

DD

 

Not saying it's a bad trade, but want to know why you think Orlando would want to make the trade.

 

They may value Head's athleticism over Reddick's BBall IQ.....

Reddick is not the fastest guy, and not the best athlete, I think he needs a system like Utah's or Adelmans to succeed.....

I don't know why they would.......but we might be able to get him and give them something they need.

Hey, maybe they want McGrady back !



DD

 

My dream trade has been, and remains:

Juwan + Sura + draft pick, as necessary = Samuel Dalembert

I thought there was something whereby we could release Sura and only have him count $1 million against the cap. Philly would like to acquire that, you'd think. Juwan is coming up on his last few years. Dalembert has 3 or 4 left, and is the Sixers highest paid player, unrightfully so. He's a good center for them, but you can't have him getting paid that much.

On the Rockets, it would work.

 

We have a center. We would be dumping a bad contract for a longer contract for a position we do not need.