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  1. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    His stans are like Trump supporters. Criticism entails a totally dismissal of his entire being.

    One can be critical of Harden's habit of disappearing on late game playoff situations due to lack of mobility and creativity in trying to get free and still believe he has reigned in the second best era of Rocket basketball.

    Is that so hard for you to accept?
     
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    It's all on them Bball gods and the rigged league.
     
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  3. HP3

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    Stan? I'm just recognizing that he made the right play? There is literally another thread examining what went wrong in the 4th. The majority is guy's not being able to capitalize in 4 on three situations.

    You are asking the guy to change how he plays in the middle of a play off game, Do you really think these guys shoulndt be able to capitalize 4 on three? No. Do you think he would be getting doubled like this if Cp3 were here, hell no.
     
  4. HorryForThree

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    Does anyone think last years team would be competing better against the Lakers? Seriously?
     
  5. HP3

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    Our most lethal option is getting double teamed every possession. Why should he force it when a 4 on three should be more efficient? Why should Westbrook not be able to capitalize in these situations? You do not like Harden and your bias influences your evaluations.
     
  6. HP3

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    What is wrong with you? Have you lost your mind? Yea Harden didnt play his best in the 4th, but again just like it always is, he's not the reason we are losing these games. And he's not Kobe or Jordon. Sheesh,
     
  7. fchowd0311

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    He's part of the reason. A heliocentric offense means that when that center of that heliocentric offense is denied the ball, the offense falls apart primarily because the pieces around the center of said heliocentric offense just don't have enough playing time under their belt to run an effective offense without looking like headless chickens running around the court. The NBA is a very rigorous elite league. You need immense practice and playing time with situational game context to excell at it at this level. The players around Harden don't have that practice currently.

    So knowning this, it would be VERY important for the center of that heleocentric offense to not be easily denied the ball consistently year in and year out in late game situations where team defenses almost always try to deny superstars the ball during that time. Unfortunately our center of our heleocentric offense doesn't know of any other way to get the ba in his hands outside of hovering at the top of the three point line making it very easy for him being denied the ball and denied shot attempts at crucial junctions of the game.

    From watching someone like Luka currently, the Mavs won't face that problem running their heleocentric offense with him because I've seen Luka fund far more variety of ways to get looks in late game situations besides isoing out the top of the three point line with 5 defenders staring at him.
     
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    James Harden in this series

    32.0 PPG 7.0 AST

    52.7 FG%
    47.8 3FG%
    84.4 FT%
    69.5 TS%
    62.7 EFG%
    128 Ortg
    118 Drtg

    For the entire playoffs
    1st in win shares
    1st in wins above replacement
    1st in value over replacement

    +7.9 with him on the floor
    -7.0 with him off the floor


    And the haters shall still hate.
     
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  9. fchowd0311

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    Dude you are like a bot. You don't listen to what the criticisms actually are and just regurgitate stats.
     
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    You just dont know anything about stats and your eye test is poor.
     
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    Yes I get it. He needs to do even better than the best. He needs to overcome the heaviest anchor(Westbrook) in the league and beat the 1 seed.
     
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  12. HP3

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    Lol okay so you dont think, professionals should be able to handle 4 on 3??? Are you serious? What do you think they do in practice? Like, I really am tired of you relying on your eye test. I'm not saying Harden shouldnt have made more effort, but god damn is that all you wanna talk about?
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Our most lethal option just hovers around the top of the three point line and only does iso dribbles at the top of the three point line with all 5 defenders infront of him.


    He is a very easy target to shade and double without much resistance. Please God don't tell me you are so naive to believe that teams don't try to double Curry or Jordan or Kobe or LeBron in these key situations in close games in the 4th. They do. But those players find other ways to get open that makes it hard for a double to stick. Run around some god damn screens and curls. Pop out at the elbow and make a quick elbow jumper. It's crazy that we allow only Westbrook to take mid range shots when in reality Harden is just a flat out better shooter from all aspects of the court even the mid range. Defenses know exactly where Harden is going to be. They also know that he's only going to either take a step back, drive to the paint.
     
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    Everyone needs to take blame for this flop.
    Harden
    Morey
    Tillman

    We as fans knew it wouldn’t work. How they all thought differently I’ll never understand
     
  15. fchowd0311

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    Again with this 4 on 3 bs. How many times in close games have we seen that 4 on 3 quickly turn to 4 on 4 with Harden and his defender just lollygagging around near half court? It's because our players are so stationary especially Harden where it's very easy for defenses to recover when Harden passes out the ball.
     
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    "This is a public service announcement - Chris Paul has been eliminated from the playoffs .. All Thunder fans, Clipper fans, Supersonics fans etc etc could you please exit the board stage right .. we need to create a little more room for actual Rocket fans .. thank you and better luck next year"
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    He needs to find a way to lay claim to his name of one of the greatest offensive players of all time by not being so easy to be denied the ball in closing situations in the playoffs or else he will always be seen as a passive chocker who revels in the regular season.
     
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    And yet that was working for all 3 quarters when dude's were doubling him? What changed hmmmmm, turnovers? Dude's missing shots out of the opportunities created for him.

    Loool, yea Lebron does a lot off ball these days. Come off it, Lebron just had Rondo go off for 19 points, same with Morris and Kuzma, it's not because he's running around screens or whatever garbage you talk about. Kobe and Jordon also had teammates who could take advantage of a 4v3. What do you even watch dude? Do you not see that our spacing is destroyed with Westbrook(he had a good game though but the problems were still there).
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Look at LeBron scoring highlight package from yesterday and keep note of all the places on the court he caught the ball and all the places on the court he took shoot attempts.

    SVG is right. Versitility is important because defenses will learn how to hone in on a monotonous play style. Hence why Harden has a history in his past playoff performances of having great game ones followed by a dud either in game 2 or 3 when teams figure out the patterns.
     
  20. HP3

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    That's because our spacing is not great with Westbrook(also Gordon took some dumb shots last night), do you know how easy it is for these guys when you have a dude who is a completely liability of a shooter? Very easy.
     

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