The Plumber: Obama doesn't believe in the American Dream

First of all there isn't one set proposal for a flat tax. There are several different versions.

What Obama was saying is that to keep govt. revenues high with a flat tax there would have to be a huge national sales tax as well, and that it wouldn't be realistic.

 

Why don't you explain it to us.

 

Joe's a total phony?

Shocking...

Next non-issue/story, please.

 

Sorry, that is funny, it is clear that Faos didn't understand Franchise's point.

DD

 

Are you freaking kidding me?

Have you heard of Ayers or Jerimiah Wright?

Talk about character assassination. Repubs invented this stuff.

Or maybe you forgot about swiftboat vets?

You are a flat out hypocrite if accuse the dems of bad behavior.

Besides, John McCain is the one who brought up Joe The Plummer 20 times in the debate. If you want to blame somebody, blame McCain ...he brought it up.

 

I'm not a Republican, and I don't agree with the character assassination tactic on either side, particularly when it is serving as a distraction to more more important issues. I never said Democrats do it more than Republicans, and I don't think I made any comparison to Republicans in those posts. Frankly, I consider that party something of a lost cause for the time being. I'd like Democrats to rise above the fray, and win the election with the strength of their ideas.

 

I agree character assassination is a bad thing. But to be fair, Obama has been nothing but HIGHLY respectful. It was John McCain who brought him into this and it was the media who exposed Joe.

But frankly, Joe himself is the one who suggested his taxes would be increased. ...and Joe lied about his own circumstances just to make a point. Had Joe not lied about himself, nobody would be attacking him.

If you want to blame somebody, blame:
1. John McCain
2. The media
3. Joe the Plummer

Don't blame democrats or Obama. They have nothing to do with any of the "contraversy."

 

Anybody who voted for bush should not be allowed on this board.


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A LETTER TO PLUMBER JOE

Dear Joe:

I am Charles R. Chortlelywell, chief accountant of Flush Plumbers United - or Change Man Charlie as I'm known around the office.

We are a national organization dedicated to the interests of plumbers earning more than a quarter million dollars a year. As you know, the salary of your average Joe in the industry is approximately $37,500, so you are clearly someone special.

We would like to learn more about you in order to help you, even if Barack Obama won't. So would you mind answering a few questions:

Does this company you are planning actually make $250-280 thousand a year in profits or is that just its total revenue? If the latter then you don't have to worry about Obama's tax bill at all. If it's the former, then your additional taxes each year will range between zero and $900. Since you'll be making five to seven times as much as your average Joe in the trade you can probably handle it.

On the other hand, perhaps not. A Toledo Blade story about you notes that "In December, 2007, the Ohio Department of Taxation placed a lien against him because $1,183 in personal property taxes had not been paid, but there has been no action in the case since it was filed." Is part of your concern that since you already owe so much to the socialist state of Ohio and don't want to compound the problem? If so, perhaps you shouldn't be going around buying businesses at all.

Since court records from your divorce also show you only made $40,000 in 2006, where are you going to get the money for this deal? Let's say you buy it for a million bucks or so. I just checked and found where you could get such a loan, but it would cost you over $60,000 a year in interest alone and you'd have to pay it off in seven years. I suggest you worry about that more than Obama's tax increase.

How many new employees do you plan to hire? If you just hire one you'll get a $3000 tax credit and that dangerous fellow Obama will actually end up adding $2100-3000 to your profits.

Where are the headquarters of the company you currently work for and would like to buy? The Toledo Blade couldn't come up with a good answer to this question: "Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills"

When do you actually plan to get a plumbers' license? It would help to add validity to your nickname. I was a bit bothered by the part of the Blade story that read: "According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr. Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview. He said it's his understanding he can work under Mr. Newell's license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors' license test."

If we are to invite you to join our board we might also need some help in answering issues such as raised by Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who says you didn't undergo any apprenticeship training.
Reported the Blade: "'When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it's a little disreputable to start with,' Mr. Joseph said. 'We're the real Joe the Plumber.' Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wulzerbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country. 'This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he's never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America,' Mr. Joseph said."

While I realize Plumber Joseph may merely be feeling bitter being upstaged by Plumber Joe, as we say in the trade about faucets, this one needs a better spin on it.

Thanks for help. Your attention to this matter - as well as to the fact that the candidate whom you support has eight homes, 13 cars and wears $500 loafers - will be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely yours,

Charles R. Chortlelywell

 

It doesn't look to me Joe the Plumber (whose first name is actually Sam) is Joe the wife beater.

One lives in Toledo. The other is in Cincinnati. Two hundred miles apart in Ohio. Wurzelbacher is a German name if I am not mistaken. Ohio has a large population of German origin.

It may also turn out the alleged kinship between Joe the Plumber and Robert Wurzelbacher, the son-in-law of Charles Keating, does not exist.

Happy digging! But those of you who quickly jumped the gun need to be a little more careful. I am not sure how wife beating is relevant to his questioning of Obama's tax policy.

 

I don't agree with character assianation and if this guy wasn't out there accepting interviews and parlaying his original encounter into popularity I would have a general problem with him being an issue.

but since he is, than the facts about his circumstance need to come out. you know, you can make a lot of money in trades, plumbing, carpentry, etc. as a matter of fact if our school system focused on trades, it would be benificial on two fronts. education, and immigration, alot of these workers coming over have these skills and aren't just cleaning toilets and bussing tables. but they ain't making $250K, that was ridiculous and it should be pointed out.

 

"Joe the Plumber this and that. The hatchet, the scalpel, and the chopping/cutting...and all of these things. Send some money to Californeeya...along with some fire extinguishers and all of these sorts of things. The faucet in my bathroom is broken with leaks and all the water everywhere and all over the place...dripping, flowing, and running. Send Joe the Plumber to Californeeeya with his friends, family, and these types of peoples."

Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (when asked to comment on the last debate)

 

"I have you for 22 minutes, but I'll call it an hour and charge you $800, welcome to The Joe the Plumber Report"

- Stephen Colbert's intro last night.

 

Typical McCain campaign MO... get their ideas from winger websites and run with it before they understand the consequences...

Joe the Dumber needs to go away...

 

LOL, Joe admits he would get his taxes cut under Obama's plan.

“I would, if you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cuts,” Wurzelbacher said.


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So now the McCain campaign is flushing poor Joe down the toilet and finding another plumber, Russ Decker.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/17/joe-the-plumber-obama-cut/

 

What a fool.

 

^^^ What I was talking about earlier.

After it is clear that Obama's plan would in fact cut his taxes, he concedes while saying "If you believe him". Talking about taxes was never his agenda to begin with.

He was dishonest and now even McCain camp is off his bandwagon.