The Plumber: Obama doesn't believe in the American Dream

I am not for the character kills. But since he presented himself as someone in the $280,000 salary range AND raised the question about taxes, isn't it fair to question his salary and bring up the fact that he has failed to pay taxes anyways? If you want an honest answer, is it not fair to ask for honesty in return?

I think most people agree that Obama's answer was articulate and well thought out. Yet, he accuses Obama of dodging the question. He could have helped himself by not going on Fox or interviewing with Couric. He jumped on the opportunity and now he is being jumped on.

If some unknown average guy is being mentioned 10+ times in a presidential debate, you bet the guy's credibility will be tested.

 

That's just sad. Greed, fear of others, and egotism are not good foundations for a happy life.

And it's clear you have no idea what makes America great.

Good thing for you that Rand's books are so long. You can wallow in them for the next 8 years.

 

He's been spouting off winger talking points about a bunch of topics... Social Security, Iraq, etc.

If you're going to enter the arena, don't expect a free ride.

 

I think focusing on him is sidestepping the issue. Fine, maybe he's isn't the most credible guy. But his concerns are genuinely shared by a large number of Americans. Many of them may not even be Republican voters. This isn't about Obama vs Joe. It's Obama vs Small Business Owner Who Doesn't Want To Pay Higher Taxes. We can drag Joe through the mud all we want, but that doesn't address the crucial issue here.

 

The issue was already addressed by Obama in the 5 minute response directly to him. I am not sure how much better of an explanation anyone can give.

If Joe wants to talk about the issue, why didn't he address it directly when interviewed by press instead of bringing in Sam Davis etc. and going on rhetorics.

The irony in all this is that the man responsible for "Obama vs. Joe", as you call it, was none other than McCain, from his own party. Had McCain not spouted his name in just about every answer, and Joe not have been so eager to go to media, I doubt the heat would have been on him.

What some people suspect and are on to are that he might be a McCain plant. IF it were proven that he was, would you still think that Joe is irrelevant?

 

Reporters drudging up dirty laundry about the guy sickens me. He's just like any other person with his own skeletons who happened to stick up for what he believes in.

Besides, this type of politics does nothing to unify. So right wingers plaster his face and plant him on soapboxes. You talk about his fluffy and airy (yet distinctly American) points and draw him out to a standstill. Eventually people get sick of his face, but at least his partisans doesn't think he's some martyr.

 

They really need to hire better people in the McCain campaign.

 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27221645/

Joe makes $40K a year. The business is estimated to have an annual revenue of $100K, far below the $250K-280K he claimed.

 

Wouldn't he save money under Obama's plan then?

Edit: Yes, yes he would.

 

Yes. I haven't seen it reported in print, but Olbermann said he would play about $500 less in taxes under Obama's plan.

 

I'll bet my life you don't even know what a thug is. So you shouldn't call names, I mean I know you have to have more class than that.

 

So, Joe the Plumber:

1. Isn't really a licensed Plumber.
2. Doesn't make anywehre close to $250K,
3. Isn't close to buying a business,
4. Wasn't even close to being truthful about the business he wants to buy making $250K.

Basically, rather than some illustration of how Obama is supposed to frustrate the American dream and he portrayed himself to be, he's just another guy regurgitating a line from Fox News and/or Rush Limbaugh.

Joe the Plumber is a fraud just like Sarah Palin.

 

Irrelevant to the issue of Obama's tax plan. I understand that it would show that McCain is running a dirty campaign, and that's not totally unimportant.

I guess my position is that too often politicians divert attention from discussing real issues to instead using personal attacks. We all recognize that's not a good thing. So, I just hope Obama doesn't lose sight of the bigger picture in defending his policy decisions and trying to convince Americans that he's got the right ideas. If Joe is a plant, that's an annoying and frustrating thing, but I want Obama to stay on point instead of exploiting controversy. I want him be the bigger man.

 

It would show McCain is running a clumsy campaign, whish is important. It shows lack of preparation and lack of competence.


that said, I don't think he is a plant. Probably just another guy who listened to too much Bill O'Reiley, trying to make up a story about himself to "illustrate" Obama's policy. So much of what he said was repeated 1000 times in the right wing pundit circle. Joe is just a fraud not affiliated with McCain.

McCain should have vetted the story, though, before bringing him up. As it turns out, it kinda supports Obama's point that most of the people-- and most plumbers, won't see a tax increase under his plan.

 

I meant to say "dirty" campaign. Fixed.

 

Is that multiple WSOP champion Phil Ivey?

 

lol it looks like it....it really would not suprise me if this photo turns out to be from a WSOP event with him waiting in suspense for the river card to be flipped

 

too easy

 

This is an attempt to deal with his plunging polls and a campaign swirling down the drain as it is flooded by Obama votes. We'll have to wait 15 minutes and run cold water down McCain to see if this works.

[edit] Can't believe I forgot to say McCain is flushing his chances away.