1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

The Players Made It Clear: We Don’t Believe

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Nook, Sep 12, 2020.

  1. Mr. Space City

    Joined:
    May 2, 2009
    Messages:
    26,808
    Likes Received:
    28,509
    D’Antoni had 4 months to prepare for a Harden double-team and make a game plan around it, and looked clueless on what to do when Vogel did it in 4 straight games.

    Absolute disaster of a coaching job, rivaled by his 2017 WCSF debacle.
     
  2. amaru

    amaru Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2009
    Messages:
    16,156
    Likes Received:
    9,076
    That's on Tilman as well.
     
    D-rock, Deuce and Nook like this.
  3. Nook

    Nook Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    38,400
    Likes Received:
    52,248
    The short answer is some of both. The Lakers did make some adjustments in game two. The Rockets however largely did not adjust for the rest of the series. However all of it was not adjustments made by the Lakers, some of it was that the Rockets did not even try to push it a lot.

    One way to keep the paint from being packed is to get out in transition and to also hit 3’s and most the time the Rockets were not taking as many 3’s. MDA also didn’t do things like have McLemore play, who can hit 3’s.

    Also when Harden is doubled, Westbrook should be able to get off or at least get open 3’s for guys. He freely admitted he didn’t know what the hell was going on. That is at least partially coaching.
     
  4. amaru

    amaru Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2009
    Messages:
    16,156
    Likes Received:
    9,076
    That's par for the course with him.
     
    Mr. Space City likes this.
  5. Lunareste

    Lunareste Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2013
    Messages:
    233
    Likes Received:
    157
    I think MDA gave Harden and Westbrook WAY too much leverage. Yes, Harden is a genius offensive player, but you are his coach, not his cheerleader. You are supposed to help him improve, not sit by and let him go without guidance.
     
    Nook likes this.
  6. Reeko

    Reeko Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2017
    Messages:
    21,440
    Likes Received:
    56,733
    we definitely need to give the Lakers credit...they did a good job of trapping and also getting out to the shooters

    we were able to play fast in game 1 and bomb away from three because the Lakers had yet to adjust their defense, and we were getting stops...the Lakers shot 42% from the field and 11-38 from deep

    in game 2, they shot 57% from the field

    in game 3, they shot 55%

    in game 4, they shot 49%, but it was well over 50% until they fell way off in the 4th...it shouldn’t be a surprise that in that 4th quarter we were able to play fast and speed up the tempo which also allows us to get looks from deep as the Lakers are scrambling

    we only have 2 ways of killing a team...Harden greatness, or exploding from three...we’re too limited

    all these other teams don’t need to shoot 50+ threes, and they still have better playoff offenses than we do...u need diversity and multiple ways to score in the playoffs...if a team doubles or traps Harden, and is able to do a good job getting out on shooters, we’re cooked unless we’re just flat out the better team and can still beat them regardless

    Why do the Rockets have to be so dependent on shooting 50 threes, especially when our shooters suck? It would be 1 thing if this extreme approach to efficiency translated to the postseason, but it never does.
     
  7. heypartner

    heypartner Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 1999
    Messages:
    58,957
    Likes Received:
    46,357
    If you actually watch Lebron, he does the stationary thing too, and is easy to double.

    I'm not making this up. Watch him vs LAC.

    Count how many time he's 25-30' out watching the play, or in the post being doubled, or out high with his drive clogged. So, since Lebron is on the best team now, and doing that, how can we say it's "a severe fault". Why can't you acknowledge that? They aren't mutually exclusive premises.
     
    hakeem94, D-rock, glynch and 7 others like this.
  8. amaru

    amaru Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2009
    Messages:
    16,156
    Likes Received:
    9,076
    He REALLY gave Westbrook too much rope. Russell is not Harden or Paul.
     
    fattz and HP3 like this.
  9. Easy

    Easy Very Calm
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2002
    Messages:
    27,570
    Likes Received:
    8,676
    Maybe Harden saw improvement only in terms of improving his own game rather than improving the team game.

    Anyway, letting Harden get doubled clearly didn't work. I can't decide whether it's Harden being stubborn or MDA being stubborn. From MDA's comments, he seemed to be catering to the player's desire rather than telling him what to do.
     
    dmoneybangbang likes this.
  10. amaru

    amaru Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2009
    Messages:
    16,156
    Likes Received:
    9,076
    Either way I put that mostly on MDA. If he allowed players to walk over him then he clearly did a poor job setting the teams culture and needs to move on to another situation or retirement.
     
    Nook and Easy like this.
  11. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    10,437
    Likes Received:
    13,197
    Russel cant be a productive player because he will get exposed because he cannot shoot and is a bad scorer in general. If this happens to Giannis who is way better than Westbrook how do you see him having success?
     
  12. Zergling

    Zergling Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2010
    Messages:
    5,708
    Likes Received:
    3,590
    Find someone to convince him to go vegan. Problem solved.
     
  13. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    10,437
    Likes Received:
    13,197
    Vegan doesnt increase your IQ or fix your jumpshot.
     
    Buck Turgidson and YOLO like this.
  14. Zergling

    Zergling Member

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2010
    Messages:
    5,708
    Likes Received:
    3,590
    But it does allow you to play 82 games. As dumb as he is, his energy/motor when healthy is still a problem for other teams.
     
  15. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    10,437
    Likes Received:
    13,197
    If good teams can stop Giannis, they can certainly stop Westbrook who is vastly inferior to him and who is only going to get worse with age. He's never gonna be efficient enough to help this team win. Look at his TS% the last 3-4 years. This playoffs was one of his worst ever, he didnt even break 50%
     
  16. Buck Turgidson

    Buck Turgidson Mineshaft Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    53,513
    Likes Received:
    38,525
    Who is this magical play-drawing-calling scheming genius offensive mind who can also coach defense (or hire coaches who can)? Totally agree there should be a change, but...

    Same with the GM if you really wanted a change...Who?

    We all remember that these hires will be run by, approved by, and made by...Fertitta
     
    D-rock, RayRay10 and HP3 like this.
  17. Buck Turgidson

    Buck Turgidson Mineshaft Enthusiast

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    53,513
    Likes Received:
    38,525
    This may now be my favorite internet sports quote ever.

    Up there with "Feng shui ain't got sh!t on Tron, son." But that one's not from this bbs and is not germane to the conversation.
     
    clos4life and HP3 like this.
  18. roslolian

    roslolian Rockets Only Fan

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    16,540
    Likes Received:
    5,867
    You just can't have a dumb coach who doesn't know any Xs and Os, simple as that. Dumbtoni always gets outcoached and according to SAS he spends his the halftime going to his office instead of making adjustments on his team.

    I know WB gonna get scapegoated again but if the dude doesn't get any instruction what he heck is he supposed to do? We all know WB's BBall IQ isn't the highest, and while JH is a bball genius he has a tendency to be extremely passive at times. Both of them need a proactive coach who will take the reigns and give them direction ala Nick Nurse, Spoelstra, Vogel or even Budenholzer.
     
  19. roslolian

    roslolian Rockets Only Fan

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2008
    Messages:
    16,540
    Likes Received:
    5,867
    You don't need an offensive genius, for defense we already got Elston Turner who did a good job on defense. The Rox just need a tactician who knows how to make adjustments, no need for another trailblazer when you already have Harden.
     
    dmoneybangbang likes this.
  20. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    10,437
    Likes Received:
    13,197
    Nvm
     
    #60 HP3, Sep 13, 2020
    Last edited: Sep 13, 2020

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now