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The Phantom Menace: Antifa

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Jun 6, 2020.

  1. Ubiquitin

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    Antifa will be back with a caravan at the border. 10s of millions of illegal Antifa.
     
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  3. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    3 people were caught looting, that's a lot less than the number of white nationalists involved so far. 3.

    3 people who weren't even repping antifa? Were they wearing black and doing whatever Antifa things you imagine? Or were they looters who also just happened to identify as antifa (because as you probably know, there's no such thing as a membership card to antifa)

    So you have 3 people and you want to declare Antifa the greatest threat since Al Qaeda?
     
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  4. Wattafan

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    I guess those three were just on furlough.The FBI and other gov sources have identified Antifa as a threat - so let me reassess. I believe the FBI and other gov sources, or some internet dude with an obvious agenda...
     
  5. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Actually the FBI has stated they haven't found any evidence of Antifa being a threat. So you just made that up. Here's the thing about the internet - a google search can expose you as a bs artist pretty quickly

    You might want to start getting some facts into your head before you post buddy.

    https://www.ajc.com/news/fbi-finds-...ement-national-unrest/qVI3U9wb8Q6u1QEvVsJ7AJ/
     
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    This actually a pretty funny thread of tweets...

     
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  8. Wattafan

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    Tell me something fella, what do we possibly stand to gain by ignoring a possible terrorist threat?
    How soon we forget 9/11.
     
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    That doesn't make sense. The terrorists that carried out 9/11 weren't being ignored.

    They also had known instances of terrorist activity and had killed hundreds if not thousands prior to 9/11.

    The same isn't true of Antifa. They have killed 0. There are other groups that have killed people but are not designated as a terrorist organization. So if you are really worried about killing, it might be better to focus on those that are doing actual killing instead of vandlizers in a couple places known as Antifa.
     
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  10. CometsWin

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    Hey fella, post your information so I can believe your sources rather than some internet dude with an obvious agenda.
     
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  11. Wattafan

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    Only agenda I have is to cover all bases.
    Makes no sense to ignore threats.
     
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  12. CometsWin

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    Antifa foiled again! Those right wingers can smell out an Antifa family better than the NSA.



    A family suspected of being Antifa protesters was trapped on a road near their campsite, police say
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/us/washington-family-accused-antifa/index.html

    A family of four found themselves stranded near a Washington state campsite shortly after they were confronted by a group of people asking if they were Antifa protesters, local police say.

    The multiracial family -- a husband and wife, their 16-year-old daughter and the husband's mother -- drove about seven hours before they reached the city of Forks on June 3, where they stopped to buy some camping supplies, the Clallam County Sheriff's Office said in a statement.
    At the store, they were confronted by "seven or eight car loads of people" who repeatedly asked the family if they were with Antifa, police said.
    Antifa is short for anti-fascists and describes a broad group of people whose political beliefs lean toward the left -- often the far left -- but do not conform with the Democratic Party platform.

    The family told the group they weren't affiliated with Antifa and had to drive their bus around multiple vehicles as they left the store, police said.
    As the family got on the road again, they told police they were followed by at least four vehicles -- two of which seemed to be carrying passengers with semiautomatic rifles.

    When they reached their destination and set up a tent, they began hearing gunshots and power saws, police said.

    "The family, concerned for their safety, decided to pack up their camp and leave. As they drove back down the spur road they discovered someone had fell trees across the road, preventing their exit," according to the sheriff's department.

    Four high school students who were in the area called police and used their chainsaw to clear the road, police said.
    The sheriff's office is conducting a criminal investigation.

    In a statement, the Executive Director of the Forks Chamber of Commerce, Lissy Andros, condemned the incident.

    "We are shocked and saddened by the encounter the family experienced on Wednesday," the statement said. "We have full confidence in our law enforcement community to investigate this matter. This is an isolated incident and does not represent the people of Forks."
    The sheriff's office is seeking information on some of the vehicles that were photographed following the family's bus that night.
     
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    Then post the information from the FBI that illustrates terrorism on behalf of Antifa. I'd like to read it.
     
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  14. Wattafan

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    Oklahoma bomber didn't commit terrorist murders before that fateful day either.
    Always a first time and like I said, makes no sense to stick one's head in the sand.
     
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    For the five months following the Waco siege, McVeigh worked at gun shows and handed out free cards printed up with Lon Horiuchi's name and address, "in the hope that somebody in the Patriot movement would assassinate the sharpshooter." Horiuchi is an FBI sniper and some of his official actions have drawn controversy, specifically his shooting and killing of Randy Weaver's wife while she held an infant child. McVeigh wrote hate mail to Horiuchi, suggesting that "what goes around, comes around". McVeigh later considered putting aside his plan to target the Murrah Building to target Horiuchi or a member of his family instead.[32]

    McVeigh became a fixture on the gun show circuit, traveling to forty states and visiting about eighty gun shows. He found that the further west he went, the more anti-government sentiment he encountered, at least until he got to what he called "The People's Socialist Republic of California."[33] McVeigh sold survival items and copies of The Turner Diaries. One author said:

    In the gun show culture, McVeigh found a home. Though he remained skeptical of some of the most extreme ideas being bandied around, he liked talking to people there about the United Nations, the federal government, and possible threats to American liberty.[34]

    McVeigh's anti-government rhetoric became more radical. He began to sell Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) hats riddled with bullet holes, and a flare gun that he said could shoot down an "ATF helicopter".[8][38] He produced videos detailing the government's actions at Waco and handed out pamphlets with titles such as "U.S. Government Initiates Open Warfare Against American People" and "Waco Shootout Evokes Memory of Warsaw '43." He began changing his answering machine greeting every couple of weeks to various quotes by Patrick Henry, such as "Give me liberty or give me death."[39] He began experimenting with making pipe bombs and other small explosive devices. The government imposed new firearms restrictions in 1994 which McVeigh believed threatened his livelihood.[36]

    McVeigh dissociated himself from his boyhood friend Steve Hodge by sending him a 23-page farewell letter. He proclaimed his devotion to the United States Declaration of Independence, explaining in detail what each sentence meant to him. McVeigh declared that:

    Those who betray or subvert the Constitution are guilty of sedition and/or treason, are domestic enemies and should and will be punished accordingly.

    It also stands to reason that anyone who sympathizes with the enemy or gives aid or comfort to said enemy is likewise guilty. I have sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution againstall enemies, foreign and domestic and I will. And I will because not only did I swear to, but I believe in what it stands for in every bit of my heart, soul and being.

    I know in my heart that I am right in my struggle, Steve. I have come to peace with myself, my God and my cause. Blood will flow in the streets, Steve. Good vs. Evil. Free Men vs. Socialist Wannabe Slaves. Pray it is not your blood, my friend.[40]

    McVeigh told Fortier of his plans to blow up a federal building, but Fortier declined to participate. Fortier also told his wife about the plans.[42] McVeigh composed two letters to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the first titled "Constitutional Defenders" and the second "ATF Read." He denounced government officials as "fascist tyrants" and "storm troopers," and warned:

    ATF, all you tyrannical mother ****ers will swing in the wind one day for your treasonous actions against the Constitution of the United States. Remember the Nuremberg War Trials.[43][2]

    McVeigh also wrote a letter to recruit a customer named Steve Colbern:

    A man with nothing left to lose is a very dangerous man and his energy/anger can be focused toward a common/righteous goal. What I'm asking you to do, then, is sit back and be honest with yourself. Do you have kids/wife? Would you back out at the last minute to care for the family? Are you interested in keeping your firearms for their current/future monetary value, or would you drag that '06 through rock, swamp and cactus... to get off the needed shot? In short, I'm not looking for talkers, I'm looking for fighters... And if you are a fed, think twice. Think twice about the Constitution you are supposedly enforcing (isn't "enforcing freedom" an oxymoron?) and think twice about catching us with our guard down – you will lose just like Degan did – and your family will lose.[44]

    McVeigh began announcing that he had progressed from the "propaganda" phase to the "action" phase. He wrote to his Michigan friend Gwenda Strider, "I have certain other 'militant' talents that are in short supply and greatly demanded."[45]

    McVeigh later said he considered "a campaign of individual assassination," with "eligible" targets including Attorney General Janet Reno, Judge Walter S. Smith Jr. of Federal District Court, who handled the Branch Davidian trial; and Lon Horiuchi, a member of the FBI hostage-rescue team, who shot and killed Vicki Weaver in a standoff at a remote cabin at Ruby Ridge, Idaho, in 1992.[46] He said he wanted Reno to accept "full responsibility in deed, not just words."[47] Such an assassination seemed too difficult,[48] and he decided that since federal agents had become soldiers, he should strike at them at their command centers.[49] According to McVeigh's authorized biography, he decided that he could make the loudest statement by bombing a federal building. After the bombing, he was ambivalent about his act and the deaths he caused; as he said in letters to his hometown newspaper, he sometimes wished that he had carried out a series of assassinations against police and government officials instead.[50]
     
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    I see you don't like admitting you were wrong and making false claims. How is Antifa even a terrorist threat? The FBI doesn't agree with you. So please explain
     
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    From
    https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/473457-antifa-is-anti-america-and-its-values
    "Many Americans first became aware of Antifa only in 2017, when some of its followers descended on Washington to protest President Donald Trump's inauguration. They broke store windows, set fire to a limousine, and caused more than $100,000 in property damage.

    But Antifa is much older and broader than a mere reactionary movement opposed to President Trump's administration. It has grown in numbers and strength for decades, united only by its adherents' commitment to shutting down anyone they disagree with by any means necessary - including intimidation and violence.

    It is an inherently anti-American movement and, as Americans, we cannot allow its fascist doctrine to continue to undermine our republic."
    If you wish to identify with this group, then that is to your shame.
     
  20. CometsWin

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    That's not terrorism. Second, the right is using "Antifa" as a catch all for any kind of left wing group. Fact is they're not Antifa, they're Maoists.

    So explain to me the heightened concern over the Antifa nothing burger terrorism threat and the intentional disregard for right wing killers and terrorists.
     
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