MOST PERSONAL THING We have a president that acts like Black Folx don't even Exist. He refuses to even talk to any of the black leaders the CBC had to stage a d*mn near sit in to talk to him and He did not even bother to come on Black shows to give his platform Exactly how am I suppose to feel that THIS GUY has my best interest at heart . . .that he is MY representative to the world? Rocket River
Divorce is a HORRIBLE thing if there are kids involved. It's devastating for them. Believe me... As far as people staying in bad marriages, I'd rather have them not get married in the first place if they don't take the covenant seriously and jump ship the first time they get 'bored' or get in a fight. People who aren't willing to work at a marraige shouldn't get married at all.
Of course that's ideal, but what if you don't come to your senses about the person/marriage until later? You can't change the past. This doesn't mean you should just go and leave the person the first time you feel like it, and I know marriages are supposed to last a lifetime, but for some situations I'm glad people have the option of leaving. Sometimes things are just messed up. Kids complicate the picture; I would expect people to work a lot harder to stay together if they were someone's parents. You have to think about who gets helped and who gets hurt.
Does anybody have a statistic of the average age of couples at the time of marriage? It's my belief that too many people get married when they're young, like right out of high school or college.
Being recognized as a married couple is nothing more than having a certificate to prove it. If people were not allowed to co habitate, I would feel bad...but thats clearly not the case.
So many are willing to pound their chest and proudly declare their 'morality' when it comes to telling other people what they can't do, but these same chest-beaters disappear into the bushes (heh) when the idea of helping poor people (for example) comes up. Publicly declaring your 'morality' against another person then calling it a day is so much easier than actually doing something. Excellent post, BTW.
I'm glad that someone brought up the morality about peace, and helping others etc. I was listening to a Muslim professor who pointed out that in 2000 Muslims overwhelmingly supported George W. Bush. They did so because he said that his role model was Jesus Christ. The Muslims felt they couldn't go wrong voting for a guy with strong religious beliefs who's role model was Jesus Christ. The professor went on to say that Bush wouldn't get that overwhelming majority this time, and that he didn't believe that Jesus' would adopt a pre-emptive war strategy. Morals mean more than just saying Gays are bad(if they mean that at all.) Morals also deal with being just, honest, and charitable.
I think we are talking about qualified black appointees that make a difference. Powell isn't listened to. Rod Paige isn't competent. Rice is qaualified, but is possibly the most dishonest member of the whole administration.
I wish Colin Powell would replace Rumsfeld. I don't know enough about Paige to make a comment. I'm surprised by your harsh judgement of Rice; I suppose you are referring to some memogate... However, the complaint was about Bush's attitude toward black people. I think his record of appointments upends that criticism.
The memogate stuff was only one example about Rice. She also lied about the aluminum tubing claiming that it could really only be used for one thing? It had several uses, the least likely of which was the one she was claiming as its sole use. Even after learning that it was almost impossible for those tubes to be used for nuclear weaponry, she still made the claim. She flat out lied when making that one. Rice also tried to weasel out of testifying before congress at all, while going on all sorts of talk shows discussing the same topics. Rice also asked the media not to play the unedited Bin Laden tapes on television because it might make him more sympathetic. I don't like censorship. I should be able to listen to OBL all day long. Rice seems extremely smart, and has a way of making even her dishonest explanations of things seem like she's making the case as plain as daylight for something. Perhpaps because she's so good and sneaky at her lies, that I dislike her so much.
This post was so full of red herrings that I had to respond to it. 1. "When you say rights, what is it you are talking about? Can a gay person not go outside and walk around? Can a gay person not burn a flag?" - While marriage isn't a specifically defined Constitutional right its underlying constitutionality goes straight to freedom of association in the 1st Ammendment and even to the inalienable right of the pursuit of happiness in the Declaration of Independence. To deny the same type privelages that accorded under the law to one type of union while discriminating against another is a violation of equal treatment under the 14th. So yes gays not being allowed to marry is a violation of their civil rights. 2. "These people deserve as much consideration in the law as people who think they should be legally joined in union to animals." - This is perhaps the most stupid and uniformed argument out there that homosexuality can be equated to bestiality or pedophilia. Its all about consent. Animals and children can't consent but adults can so marriage between same sex adults in no way equals marriage or sex between adults and animals or childredn. 3. "YOU force YOUR belief on me by making me adhere to new rules adapted into the United States constitution to make provisions for this immoral lifestyle." - Well boo hoo to you. Living in a diverse society we're force to put up with a lot of things that we don't like or think is immoral. I think Televangelists who use religion to get wealthy are immoral but Constitutionally they're within their rights to make money that way. 4. "I think there are more than a few states, including my own (California) who feel the same way" - Just because a lot of people feel that way doesn't make it right. It makes it easier to legislate but that doesn't mean its right or even Constitutional. In the 1960's most Texans thought segregation was proper but I think there are few Texans now who would say the same thing.
I understand this and have wholeheartedly agreed with it for some time. But, following the logic presented to me, I was saying that we should get rid of the months, not because we are really all equal and it is a form of discrimination, but instead because that by having these months to learn about their individual histories, some would claim that minorities are just desperate for attention. Just as was said about gays. So sure, get rid of Black History Month and Hispanic Heritage Month. But do it for the right reasons. And following the logic in this thread, they wouldn't be the right reasons, but would instead be oppressive and bigoted.
I like Colin Powell - He is not out of the traditional Black Experience [son of Immagrants] He does speak up on alot of issues . . but he is rarely listened to and it basically sacrificed his integrity to protect the Admin. . . . Condi . . .Condi . . Condi . . . . she rarely aligns herself with Black America. . . even from her stanford Days . . . . She IMO is self interested and more devoted to he husba , , ,er Pres Bush than to the country in general . . . Rod Paige. . . where the h*ll is he. . . I think he has spoken maybe twice during the whole 4 yrs. . . I would have thought him a decent selection but he is so low profile he might as well not be there. . . . Appointing people for the skin tone .. . is one thing . . ..Esp when one of 3 speaks out for those of their skin tone .. . you cannot prop a pupper black person to represent black people ONE MORE THING We don't grab a Gay Guy or a Jewish guy . . and say SEE this is your leader You need to the person the people follow. . . . . Why is that he cannot speak to the Congressional Black Caucus? Just show up on Tavis or any black show and tell black folx why we should vote for him? The end answer is. . .we just were not that important to him. Rocket River
There are several reasons why Bush doesn't do what you are recommending, RocketRiver 1) Many black leaders have been openly hostile to Bush (the NAACP in particular) 2) Many black leaders and entertainers (tv show hosts and the like) have lied and insulted Bush ona daily basis 3) Bush is not going to speak in front of a very hostile environment in which people can't control themselves. It makes for bad PR. 4) Blacks vote at low rates 5) Blacks vote in lockstep -- for liberal candidates who can provide for their self interest. You act like this is a one-way street, RR. It's not. That's the simple truth.
Ironically, by ignoring the black population, I think Bush took a higher percentage of the black vote than any Republican in a good long while.
Is what you mean to say this: by not pandering to the black population, Bush earned the resepct of a lot of black Americans?
What exactly is "Black America?" To me that is a group of people that can all think for themselves, and it is not one unified view. I just think its rediculous that Condi gets criticized by you and others for not thinking like the average black person.
For not supporting things that help us as a people? For supporting policies that seem to actively seeked to destroy us.? Jorge - He is the president. . . so u telling me it is ok for him to only support and help PART of america that likes him . .. and I don't know if u notice. . but Jay Leno/Letterman/etc are not black . .and they talk about him far more than black folx Rocket River
