Heterosexuals have the right to marry a person who they choose and love. Homosexuals do not have the right. By legally allowing them the same right doesn't force you to accept gay marriage. You won't be forced to marry a person of the same sex. The belief that homosexuals should be allowed to marry a person they love like heterosexuals are isn't forcing anything on you. It's allowing them the same freedom. I know that since some states allowed legal gay marriages, my own marriage hasn't suffered at all. In fact nothing has changed for my marriage. What has changed is that in some places people who used to not be allowed to share the same happy stable committed relationship with the benefits that go along with are now allowed to share them. As for changing the constitution you have it backwards. It was the Republicans that wanted to change the constitution to keep them out, not liberals who wanted to change it.
Afraid of being found ignorant? Again you try and discredit me by inciting religious fanaticism, but there are many people who feel the same way and have no religious affiliation at all.
****, her relationship got on the ballot??? That sucks! If I were her, I would stay with my girlfriend no matter what the election said.
Ignorant of what? Tell me how homosexuals getting married and sharing benefits like insurance is bad. What harm is it to society. Give me one reason other then it is immoral.
I believe the issue will soon be brought up before the Supreme Court and will be resolved there. I do not care if you consider yourself a homosexual, you have the right to your own life and can do whatever you want. My problem is when you try and get special consideration... these people in most cases are not looking for a piece of paper that declares they are married... they are looking for acknowledgement and attention, they want to be recognized for what they are, often times only to try and shove it in the face of those who disapprove. As long as I do not have to condone them or recognize them legally in any way, I could care less about what they do.
And while we're at it, let's get rid of Black History Month and Hispanic Heritage Month. "I do not care if you consider yourself a minority, you have the right to your own life and can do whatever you want. My problem is when you try and get special consideration...these people in most cases are not looking for education concering the importance of various minority figures...they are looking for acknowledgement and attention, they want to be recognized for what they are, often times only to try and shove it in the face of those who are not. As long as I do not have to condone them or recognize them in any way, I could care less about what they do." Your posts reek of bigotry.
But that recognition is already allowed to heterosexual couples. So giving the same recognition to other couples isn't giving them anything special. It is only giving them the same benefits that hetero couples already enjoy. They are getting anything extra over and above what traditional couples get. They only get the exact same thing.
Let me say somthing I know I'll probably get roasted for: After yesterday's election result it should be apparent to the gay/lesbian community that alot of people came out to vote against their right to marry (the 11 states all had had very high voter levels compared to other states). They have to ask themselves why? I agree there are some people who will never agree with it but they are not the majority of the population, in fact they are less than 20% I would guess (and that may be too high). Maybe they need to look at how they present themselves to the public (especially during this election). At Bush events here in Columbus the protestors (some of who were gay and lesbian) tried to rile up the conservative base. Kind of like the old say if you mess with the bull you get the horn. You present yourself as an person who dresses strangely, and draws attention to yourself, tehn expect people to be scared. Is that stereotyping, yes obviously it is. But I would guess there are many rural people (where alot of the conservative vote came from) that doesn't have much exposure to alternative lifestyles and when they see angry people, openly saying they are gay and proud and they want the President out, well it strikes them wrong. All I am saying is the gay and lesbian community needs to show America that they are regular people. Will everyone give them a chance, no probably not but they need to change the perception of alot of people.
Why does everyone make this issue so black and white? Why does it have to be pro-gay or anti-gay. I have no problems with Gay people who are, for all intents and purposes, "normal" people (as I see it anyways!). What bothers me is when I see a Gay pride parade that is promoted as a family event and, instead of just "normal" people marching supporting their cause, you get blatent eroticism thrown in your face. Now, I'm not against erotic but it's got its time and place. I'm not even against "gay" erotic (especially lesbians... ) So, can I be okay with gay people but offended by extreme elements of gay culture? Also, just because you choose a same-sex partner doesn't have to mean you buy into "gay" culture (whatever that is). My solution? The only thing government recognizes as a legal contract is some sort of union available to any couple that wants to enter into it. Leave marraige to the churches.
Isn't marriage defined as a union between man and woman? So, if homosexual marriages ever got allowed, then we would need to redefine the word "marriage".
this issue reeks of poo, but i don't understand the argument that gays are getting married just to get benefits and then straight people will marry their straight roomates to get benefits. I've never met a gay person trying to get married for the priviliges, and I've never met a person getting married just for the privileges. And Manny, no disrespect, but the word "we" obviously doesn't mean everyone. then again, I don't understand what the fuss is about 5-10% of the population, and why they are considered to be more important than issues such as crime, education and the environment. I thought conservatives were "big issue" people, why bother over something so insignificant that doesn't interrupt your life?
Defined where? But that is why I would remove any reference to marriage, and just call it a legal contract. I hate legislating morality. Whatever happened to: THOU SHALL NOT JUDGE? DD
So be it. We already redefined the word "gay." Marriage between a woman and man as a sacred institution is a fundamentally Judeo/Christian idea. But it doesn't exist as such in all religions. This religious idea is what people take for granted as the only definition and understanding of marriage, and can not accept it being challenged or changed. The time will come however.
Here: "In 1999, in response to court rulings and some early inklings that the definition of marriage could also be challenged, the official opposition party put forth a votable motion to defend the traditional definition of marriage: "the definition of marriage is between one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others and that Parliament will do everything in its power to protect that definition." That motion passed handily 216-55." And Dakota, this is the 2nd time you have brought up "Thou shall not judge". Since you have read and know the Bible, I am sure you are familiar with the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. I didn't want to bring this up, but if you are going to keep using biblical stuff (and using all caps to boot), then expect to hear that the Bible has never been in favor of this practice.
Manny, Not saying the bible is in favor of it, I am saying if you believe in the Bible then you should believe that it is not up to us to judge. Also Manny, we do not have a parlament, that is Canada's definition. DD
I think straight people getting divorced is a bigger problem in this country than gay people getting married.
Well that is great that you keep reminding us about that biblical principle. We get it, okay? If you want to keep reminding us, I'll keep reminding YOU that homosexuality is not approved in the Bible. And you wanted a definition of marriage - you didn't say how specific. I tried to find the sociological definition but didn't really feel like putting out the effort, so I used the first thing - so sue me.
I just don't think it is anyone's business, especially the governments. People should have equal rights to love whomever they choose, their rights should be protected. If a man wants another man, and it is 2 consenting adults, who are we to say what is right and what is wrong, it is a choice, and it does not effect us. Don't know why the government needs to legislate a choice???? DD
