The path out of mediocrity

Wait a second. Are people really dismissing even the mere possibility that Martin is worth a top 5 pick? Wait, I didn't even say just Martin. I said Martin + ___. Which might mean the 14th pick, or Hill, or whoever. To even dare think of that means you are an idiot? Wow, y'all are some geniuses.

Here's some reasons why a team would trade us their top 5 pick.

There is no guarantee that a top 5 pick will mean a franchise player.

In fact, it is almost guaranteed that in most drafts there will be top 5 picks who end up not being franchise players.

Bad teams that stay bad for years and years usually mean they suck at evaluating talent, and botch draft after draft. Instead of potentially wasting another pick on someone that will likely bust, why not trade the pick for a sure thing like Martin? Why not trade the pick for a sure thing like Martin PLUS another pick in the lottery!

Is that likely? I never said it was. Is it the best thing we got going? Well, that's my point.

What exactly do you people think a top 5 pick is worth? If you can't get a franchise player(I don't mean superstar), Martin is in the class right below.

And by YOU PEOPLE I mean the three stooges too busy sucking eachothers **** in this thread. Actually, don't even bother answering that. Just keep doing what you are doing. I don't want to break up a good thing.

 

Because teams like the Clippers and Twolves have already sucked for year after year yielding them "young exciting player" after "young exciting player", and in the end with nothing to show for it except another year of suck. You know what would re-energize those franchises? Winning. Not ANOTHER "young exciting player".

Maybe we can cross our fingers and hope they think a proven guy like Martin could be the missing piece to get them over the hump(of losing) and help them accomplish that playing next to their already established franchise players.

Unless... they don't see a potential franchise player available. My point is there are teams incompetent enough out there that would think Randy Foye is a better player than Brandon Roy. That Tyrus Thomas is a better bet than Lamarcus Aldridge. There are teams that can't spot a franchise player if one landed on their heads. If they don't see one available, and we do, that is our ticket in.

 

A possible bust if you look at history, and a likely bust if you let some of the incompetent front offices that got that pick in the first place use it. If you give that pick to ones who have proven they can identify talent like ours, it would be a likely franchise player. In fact, like I have stated many times, and again in this thread, I would only want Morey to trade Martin for an already identified potential franchise player. A guy with a name. Not just ANY top 5 pick in ANY draft, which again as I've already stated, has a crap shoots chance of turning out to be a franchise player or not.

 

Stupid? Wow. Really.

I have had good impressions of you in the past partner but clearly the recent turn of events have hit you harder than most.

Not sure what exactly you would like me to prove. I am merely speculating. I am sorry that is stupid to you. Or that you think I should "get over myself". Here are some past examples of teams trading up for high picks, without the use of their own high picks.

2007. 5th pick traded for Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, and Ray Allen. Not sure how in the world you are using this to support your argument.

2006. 8th pick along with Stromile Swift traded for Shane Battier.

2004. 5th pick along with Jerry Stackhouse and Christian Laettner traded for Antawn Jamison.

2004. 7th pick traded for future conditional 1st round pick and 31st pick in 2004 draft.

2002. 7th pick along with Marcus Campy and Mark Jackson traded for Antonio McDyess, Frank Williams, and a future second round pick.

2001. 2nd pick along with Brian Skinner traded for Elton Brand.

2001. 3rd pick along with Lorenzen Wright and Brevin Knight traded for Shareef Abdur-Rahim and the 27th pick in the 2001 draft.

2001. 7th pick traded for the 13th, 18th, and 23rd pick in the 2001 draft.

2000. 9th pick traded for the 15th pick in the 2000 draft and a future first round pick.

1995. 2nd pick along with Randy Woods traded for Rodney Rogers and the 15th pick of the 1995 draft.

1995. 8th pick traded for the 18th, 19th, and 58th pick of the 1995 draft.

1990. 3rd pick traded for the 9th and 15th pick of the 1990 draft.

Should I have said "top 8 pick" instead? The point is still exactly the same. As we know, franchise players are not limited to only the top 5 picks in a draft. The reason I used that as a cut off line is one part arbitrary and the other part how I value Martin. However it is not a requirement to get your franchise player. Obviously if the pick gets too far outside of top 10 then the odds get far too low. Looking at the "high" picks in the past we see plenty of them have been traded for veterans, or multiple lower picks. Plenty of those are even your "top 5 picks".

Pairing with another high pick is not nearly the requirement you make it out to be, even though that has happened plenty of times before as well.

So again I ask. Stupid? Really? Rise up to reality? Which reality is it that you would like me to rise up to? I did not include you in the "three stooges" comment so I expect much higher quality.

 

1. Draft picks are a crap shoot? Myth. They are only a crap shoot in the wrong hands. I've spent multiple posts in this thread addressing this.

2. Superstar? Notice I have not used that term. In fact I clearly distinguish between a "superstar" and a "franchise player" in one of the posts in this thread. There are only like 5 superstars in the league, and they are usually highly touted coming in. There is no way you get them for Martin, even before they've proven themselves. On the other hand franchise players like Brandon Roy, Amare, Dirk, Paul Pierce etc. had enough questions about them going into the draft that it is possible to fleece an ill-prepared team. I've given examples of the incompetence of many teams who traded away franchise players for guys who can barely stay in the league now. Multiple times. In this thread.

3. Why would I trade arguable our best player for the 5th pick in this weak draft? Well first of all, that is exactly what the OP is for, explaining exactly why I would trade Martin for a high pick, for a chance at a franchise player. Secondly, I have explained MULTIPLE TIMES, more than any other point, that it doesn't have to be THIS draft. That it doesn't matter which draft, as long as Morey identifies the potential franchise player FIRST, before trading for him. In fact if you just look a few post back I was harping on this again.


No offense, but it is crystal clear to me that the only post of mine you have read in this thread is the one you quoted. Because every one of your concerns have been addressed, some ad nauseum just to make sure everyone understands what I am saying, in this thread. By me.

In a thread still on the front page, you told me that the Lowry/Brooks discussion was over. For me to discuss now and the future. Except in that thread not ONCE did I bring up the Lowry/Brooks discussion. Similarly in this thread, you simply did not read the discussion before hand.

I implore you to please do so in the future before jumping to conclusions and telling me I don't make sense. That way you won't miss out on the answers to your questions that I otherwise would have to regurgitate.

 

Wow. Blake Griffin for K-Mart? Really? I'm done here. I am not going to keep repeating myself like a broken record just because people apparently have the attention span of a gnat and can't read for themselves. Read. On a forum. Made for reading. I know, a revelation.

You want me to answer that? Go ****ing look for it yourself. I already have.

 

The hilarious part is that there apparently is a group who ardently believe that Martin is much too valuable to trade for a high pick, meanwhile there is another group who with equal fervor believe it is an unthinkable pipedream to even wonder out loud if we could get a high pick for Martin. You would think that these two groups would be fundamentally opposed with eachother offering some tasty fireworks.

Nope. They haven't even acknowledged eachother. Instead it is a kumbaya joining of the hands circle jerk to dump on the OP.

That's how you do it Clutchfans. I am the human meat bridge that binds the polar opposites of the universe. Revere me.