one thing that I do think is funny is how people will say, "well...we know Pilate was a bloody leader...that he killed at will...so we know exactly how he would have acted in this situation." first of all...does that work for you, personally? can you be defined in such a way that people looking back on your life 2000 years later would know for sure how you would respond in every situation you ever encountered? that's absurd. it assumes too much...and, frankly, it's an incredibly arrogant argument to presuppose what a man you've never met who lived in circumstances you never lived in would do in a given situation. second...pilate was called back to rome because he was so bloody. he was admonished all the time for losing control because he responded with too much of a heavy-hand. given that criticism, is not remotely possible that he had doubts about marking a martyr out of this man, Jesus?
Well it's true. You aren't doing anything here except trying to stir up trouble with people, and discourage people from seeing this movie. What are you so afraid of. The truth? The Bible says that Jewish people were largely responsible for Jesus' death. Why is that so hard for you to deal with. People from everywhere have in some point in history been responsible for bad things happening. It's not a big issue. I think the issue lies in this 'holier than thou' attitude that Jewish people have. They always have to play the victim, and it bothers them when they can't be in this instance.
No kidding. I dont agree that Cohen and outlaw are just trying to stir the pot but making blanket statements about Jews are a little much.
I forgot to add 'in my experience'. And some stereotypes can be true, right? I mean how many white people do you see doing 360 between the leg dunks? I mean, there IS a reason for the stereotype, right? Come on now.
This will get ugly and only get this thread bumped to D&D which I think would suck. I feel dirty when I go in there. Why not get back on topic and talk about the movie in a responsible way.
hehe. Sean Astin had a pretty funny lisp in 50 First Dates. Plus he lost all the weight he gained for LOTR.
nomar, you're the posterboy for the ignore feature. Unfortunately, you'll always get quoted since your remarks are often inflammatory, ignorant, or both. So we end up reading them anyway. Waste of time.
more! Jews Killed Jesus Sign Causes Controvery DENVER -- A billboard unveiled on Ash Wednesday, the same day that a controversial movie depicting the last hours of Jesus Christ premiered, is sparking criticism from people of all faiths. The large-size outdoor marquee, which sits on the property of the Lovingway United Pentecostal Church at Colorado and Mississippi, says, "Jews Killed The Lord Jesus" and the word "Settled!" "It's settled," said Maurice Gorden, Loveway pastor. "The word of God is the final word." The Anti-Defamation League asked for the marquee to be changed because it is anti-Semitic, but the church only amended the billboard slightly by removing the word "settled" and attributing the line to biblical Scriptures. That, however, still did not appease critics. The message ignited mostly anger, among Jews and Christians alike. One Jewish human rights leader is calling on Christian clergy to rebuke the church that posted the sign. One passerby was so upset, she bought a ladder and took down the first word, "Jews." Church members later took down the rest of the words. "Immediately, I picked up the phone and called the pastor and had a spirited but good and respectful discussion with him in which I tried to explain to him that that kind of message is divisive and exactly the kind of message which has fueled anti-Semitism for thousands of years," said Bruce DeBoskey, the Mountain States Regional Director for the Anti-Defamation League. "If I can get people to rediscover their Bible ... if I can get people to go back and look ... what does it actually say?" asked Gordon. Jewish leaders say that like Mel Gibson's new movie "The Passion of The Christ" -- which opened Wednesday morning -- the passage will stir up anti-Semitic attitudes and will cause some people to lash out at Jews. The Colorado Council of Churches also tried to get Pastor Maurice Gordon to change the sign but he refused and wouldn't even answer the phone or answer the door. Rev. Jim Ryan, a spokesman for the council, was quick to point out that it is a small minority who feel this way about Jews and that most Christians don't share that sentiment. Although the "Jews Killed the Lord Jesus" line comes from First Thessalonians, second chapter, verses 14 and 15, many Christian scholars interpret that passage to mean that when Paul refers to the Jews, he is referring to certain Jews who opposed Jesus' teachings and does not mean all Jews. "It is ironic that a church named 'Lovingway' would advance such an attitude of hurtfulness," Ryan said. "Christ gave his life for all people. To blame a particular group of people, then or now, is a misuse of the Gospel of love and grace. The Colorado Council of Churches wishes to make it clear that this one congregation does not speak for the vast majority of the Christian community. In fact, we stand in direct opposition to the message on this sign and its implications." "We also call upon the leaders of other Christian groups in Denver to reaffirm the statements they have made: that all of mankind shares responsibility for Jesus' death, and that blame should not be placed collectively on the Jews of the time or the Jews of today," DeBoskey said. "We fervently hope that Jews and Christians can use this time as an opportunity for dialogue and learning, not blame and divisiveness." Gibson's film has been criticized because it depicts the Roman governor Pontius Pilate as reluctant to crucify Jesus, placing the blame more on the Jewish high priest Caiaphas. Some people fear that the extreme violence and brutality inflicted on Jesus in the movie could foster unwarranted resentment toward Jews. The $25 million movie, although intense and graphically violent, is being praised by Christian leaders for bringing the Passion story to a large national audience. Gibson financed the movie by himself because no Hollywood studio was willing to invest. Gibson, a devout Catholic, belongs to a traditionalist sect that rejects Vatican II changes in 1965 as too liberal, changes that include a law that condemned the medieval thinking that Jews were cursed by God. That so-called "blood libel" is in the Gospel according to Matthew, when Caiaphas says, "His blood be on us and our children," for allowing the crucifixion to happen. Gibson says his movie is not anti-Semitic. The movie is rated R and presented with English subtitles
Outlaw, ok, that seems anti-semitic. Btw, if anyone is wondering what the quoted verse says, here it is (1 Thessalonians 2:14-16): Here, Paul is talking to the Thessalonians (in Greece) about how they came to visit because they love them very much and how Paul and his entourage worked hard to not be a burden to them. And then he praises them for being devout believers despite facing the same persecutions the Judean churches had faced. When he says "They displease God," I think he must be referring to the Greeks who persecute the Thesalonians, because the Jews wouldn't have cared about evangelism to Gentiles.
Are you really this stupid or do you honestly believe what you said is analagous to "You don't see white people doing 360 between the leg dunks"? Based off your logic, I think it's fair to say that everybody I ever meet in the future will likely be a moron ...in my experience.
