"The Painful Truth: All the World Terrorists are Muslims!"

Thank you.

 

No problem. I find FB a very compassionate and reasonable poster, but also find him clinging to the same assumptions that are a large part of the problem.

The article was a great find, btw, SJC.

 

That's wrong. I said that NOTHING justifies terrorism in my post. Denouncing terrorism but also bringing up a legitimate gripe is not justifying anything.

There is no reason why Muslisms shouldn't ask about why Israel gets away with their injustices. One can ask that question and still denounce terrorism. The attitude that people should only denounce terrorism and not bring up other legititmate gripes is one of the reasons that injust situations like those created by Israel is allowed to go on.

I was pointing out that we should be consistent. I also am asking if people aren't being consistent then why is there prejudice to question one side and not the other.

I didn't say should be condemned only if the other are, but I do say we should be consistent.

I don't care what terrorists link. There is a difference. Terrorists use one to justify the other. I say neither are justifiable. My question is why doesn't everyone denounce both?

Why is there a problem in talking about things that are wrong. What is a problem is ignoring any problem, terrorism, injustice, genocide any of it. I'm not using one of these problems to say that any of the others are ok. That's what terrorists do, and it's what Israel does.

I mentioned that Christians did intevene, but they didn't do that as a unified voice. Muslims are responsible for turning other muslims in for terrorism. They have stopped other terrorists. Yet you are giving Christians for their good deed, but not Muslims when they stop other Islamic terrorists.

I'm not giving qualifiers for anything. I don't say people have to condemn Israeli oppression in order to say this action or any terrorist action is awful. I said that nothing justifies terrorism. I said that and I mean that.

But I also say that pointing out other injustices as long as it not's used to rationalize terrorism isn't a bad thing.

I ask further why do we live in a world where it's ok to question one injustice but not other injustices? Why isn't a good thing to tackle all injustices.

 

I'm not saying the terrorists are any less wrong because of other issues. I'm saying they are as wrong as can be. I'm just saying that there are also other wrongs.

If there is a murderer and a rapist on the loose in the neighborhood, is is wrong to go after the murderer but also talk about stopping the rapist?

 

Buddhism is a diverse religion and Tibet is no more the center of Buddhism than Salt Lake City is the center of Christianity. While most Buddhist sympathize with the Tibetan cause and hold deep esteem for the Dalai Lama that's not the same as say a Catholic would feel about the Vatican being occupied by an invader.

 

An excellent point!

Even though I believe in Buddhism and try to follow it I think it is a disservice to Buddhists to continue to portray them as being utterly non-violent. Buddhism discourages violence but does allow for self-defense and even the use of violence when there is a greater good at stake. Also the history of Buddhism is replete with fighting monks, sectarian violence, religious purges and even violent fanatics.

I don't bring this stuff up to criticise Buddhism but to point out that its not exactly the hippy dippy religion that so many make it out to be but one where like there is passion and vitality that is propagated by real people with real emotions and not starry eyed new agers.

 

I think what Franchiseblade is talking about is that this post proves that its wrong to demonize the Muslims collectively and that Islam is inherently the religion of terrorists. What this piece shows is that there are Muslims out there who are just as concerned about terrorism as anyone else and the harm that terrorism does to Islams. I think he's bringing up the other examples to show that every religion has its share of violence so its wrong to single Islam out in this respect.

In answer to DD's question why this post should get more credence than non-Muslims criticizing Muslim terrorist is because this is someone from the inside. For instance example take a look at the political debates. When Republicans or Democrats criticize the actions of the other party most people pass that off as partisan attacks but when a Republican criticizes the Republican Party like John McCain or a Democrat criticizes Democrats like Zell Miller then people will take more notice because it is an insider critizing their own group.

 

Maybe the problem is that the Western world DOES seperate the Palestine/Israel case, while the Muslim world doesn't.

I don't think the Western world quite understans the Muslim concept of brotherhood.


As for this article, old news. He hasn't said anything that pretty much everyone else (Muslim or otherwise) wasn't thinking. It's nice to have it in writing I guess, but some corrupt leader is going to make him pay for it.

 

Nothing to see here.

Yes... they all arabs!

 

And of course, if they're in south america they don't count.

Or if they use sarin on people in subways, as long as they're only Japanese people

 

To some degree, one has to imagine that there's a bit of a rorschach-test effect here. Twenty years ago, how many of these people really embraced the concepts of "world socialism" that they were yapping off about, or was it just that the terrorist social equivilent of a pair of doc martins and some tatoos?

The "revolution" under lennin created a state that looked remarkably like the state under the Tzars.

The 'revolution' in china resulted in a state with a remarkable resemblance to the beaucratic state under every Emperor.

 

The American Revolution turned out quite nicely, thank you!

 

Native Americans may not be in agreement with this opinion.

 

Interesting observation but McVeigh and Koresh didn't nor did the 19 hijackers on 9/11. Of course they might've shaved theirs to blend in better.

 

That's a great quote Thadeus and after watching the Republican Convention I think has a lot of bearing on today.

 

May I throw one in? "Bush is a Liar."

 

I don't know about that. I think it's quite close...

Saddam and Hitler come to mind...