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[The Otto Porter Movement] First it was just an afterthought, then came the movement, and now....

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by steddinotayto, Nov 16, 2018.

  1. RHU525

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    We also have Melo to trade as well.
     
  2. steddinotayto

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    If you're wondering what's going on with Porter this year then you're not looking at that entire team.

    1. Scott Brooks' seat is molten lava right now. This is a guy that's desperate to try anything and everything to get a winning team, including jacking up his rotation and taking out Morris and Porter in favor of Green and Oubre. Given Brooks' track record in OKC and in Washington I'm not going to say Otto Porter, age 25 and only 1 year older than Gary Clark, is regressing because he's past his prime. This is a classic case of a coach that is tinkering because his team is underperforming and he can get fired at any moment.

    2. Dwight Howard. It might sound like a cop out to pull Howard into this but having Howard on the floor versus a Gortat is completely different. Gortat's role was to set screens on offense and that was it. Howard demands to be the 3rd star on the team which means getting touches that used to go to Morris or Porter. It's a huge impact on a starter when you're sole responsibility is getting open and hitting 3s to now having to stand around waiting for a past his prime center call for the ball as opposed to setting screens to set everyone up.

    3. Kelly Oubre and Troy Brown. The writing was on the wall the moment they drafted Brown this summer that Porter's days in DC were numbered. No one with half a brain would expect Porter to last the entire season as a wizard after Grunfeld dropped $40 mil per on John Wall. Could they have showcased Porter to make him more attractive? Sure but there's a defined ceiling on how attractive an ultra 3&D player can be when he's making $26 mil a year. There's a niche market for Porter as only a select few teams are going to need or want an ultra 3&D player at that price. So there's no significant value to showcase him when you can use more playing time to give Oubre more growth and experience with Wall/Beal.

    Does trading for Porter make financial sense? Absolutely not. But neither is giving Chris Paul 160 million in his 30s which brings me back to the point that I've made before: this team's window is now. We got maybe two good years from Paul left and if Tillman and Morey want to maximize that opportunity then trading for an ultra 3&D player who's ONLY 25 makes sense, even at $26 mill per.

    Porter would immediately become our starting SF and he can even fill in minutes at the 4 for Tucker. Or he can play the 3 with Clark at the 4. Or he can switch to the 4 in a small ball scenario with Ennis at the 3. Ultimately we would get back the flexibility and defensive advantage we had last year.
     
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  3. Vivi

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    One thing is for sure, with the payroll they have, there's not way the Wizards keep both Porter and Oubre.

    I'm starting to think it wouldn't be that bad for us to get Porter even considering his contract, for two years we would pay 20M for Knight and Nene anyway, might as well pay more for Porter in order to have a solid starter, but also cause it would give us a big contract to move in a possible trade going forward. That big contract isn't necessarily that bad of a value going forward if he does well here and if the salary cap will jump as expected at 108/120M in the next two years...by that time he will also be an expiring contract.

    Now this is obviously fantasy basketball, but if Davis will be available next summer we could be able to try and offer different combinations to NOLA between Capela and Gordon, Capela and Porter, same for another player who might be available in a couple of years.

    I also wonder if the Rockets are still considering moving Knight/Chriss/Nene to get out of the tax though...
     
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  4. Deuce

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    This is a really nice attempt at a reasonable deal. Good job.

    I haven't looked at Cleveland's books, but are the in play for FA next summer? If not, then taking on Knight's deal isn't that much of an issue and getting a 1st round pick (even later in the draft) is something to net as an asset for a team trying to build.

    Cleveland CLEARLY wants to move out JR and Korver. I agree that Korver could be a really nice fit in Washington to play off Wall/Beal. JR......adding his personality to the mix is HIGH comedy, but whatever.

    I mean, if the Rockets could give up detritus (Knight, Chriss, Nene (sorry Nene)) in a deal and just throw in a 1st to get Porter.....yeah, you do that in seconds.

    Thing is, just not sure the Wizards are ready to move Porter. When will they get that urgency? They might not get pushed in a corner to make a move until the trade deadline, tbh. And I bet the Cleveland assets, at least Korver, will be moved before then.

     
  5. Deuce

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    I would say, if the Rockets made a move for Porter, it would be that they view him as a player that "has not fulfilled their potential." Much like how Morey viewed Kyle Lowry in Memphis. In other words, Morey would make the move if he feels that the Rockets could "unlock" Porter's potential in Houston. That he becomes more than what he is now.

    Will he? I don't know. But if Morey makes the move, that would be why. And it wouldn't be because they view him as a 26M/yr role player.
     
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  6. Deuce

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    I like both Bazemore and Porter. But if I can make 1 impact move, I am making it for Porter because he is 6'9" and adds more versatility in the front court which I think is a bigger need moving forward to play off of Harden/CP.

    Bazemore would be a nice addition, but with EG here, his impact might not be as strong as Porter. You can play Porter WITH CP/Harden/EG whereas you can't really do that with Bazemore.
     
  7. Deuce

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    As Sam Presti said in going all in on Paul George....

    "Scared money don't make none."
     
  8. Deuce

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    Another quality attempt at a trade. Good job @craguin

    Hill fits a need in Phoenix and also continues the vet influence.
    Ariza brings HIS vet influence to a team in Washington. BUT......Rivers is there! How is that going to play out? LMAO.

     
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  9. Deuce

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    Porter has regressed this season for sure. BUT, I wonder if it is more symptomatic to what is going on with the team and system.

    If Morey makes a move for Porter, it is because he sees a player that can be "unlocked" in a better system similar to how Morey viewed Kyle Lowry in Memphis.

    The Otto Porter Movement could really be enhanced if we knew any inside intel from @cyberx @Codman @ch44 to see if any Ears hear he might be in play.
     
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    Go run the numbers and come back and tell me how you figure giving Otto Porter, a 3 and D role player, $30 million a year is the same as CP getting what he got. Otto Porter is marginally, and might even not be, better than Robert Covington.

    Rockets would regret taking on the Porter contract. Hes just not that good.
     
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  11. Deuce

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    All of this. Facts.

     
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  12. bilaal14

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    No way to Porter... would much rather have Beal if and when the Wizards have their fire sale.

    He fits. He is far more talented.
     
  13. TEXNIFICENT

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    The point was you're spending that money anyways on Knight (injured) + Chriss ( subpar) + Nene ( unplayable). Basically instead of overpaying Ryno + Nene , you'd be overpaying Otto Porter to actually play. We're overpaying for a short window at a championship. Very short term.
     
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    Beal isn't going anywhere for less than a King's ransom
     
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    When they have their fire sale... you give the rebuilding team 4 1st picks for starters, They will take it any day of the weak... then ofcourse knight etc.....

    I am curios to see how knight fits this team tho.
     
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    Beal can play. Hope you're right.
     
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    Some other team will give real talent for beal.
     
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  18. Vivi

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    Yep, and they won't go into a full rebuild anyway so, they're not trading everyone. One between Oubre and Porter i'd say, maybe Wall if their chemistry won't get better and if (which is a bif if imo) they find a taker for Wall. I don't see a scenario where they trade Beal since he's their best player/contract/asset...unless they get back something very good of course, which isn't a bounch of meh picks with a couple of bad players/contracts. Like you said they would get good players/picks for Beal if they'll ever make him available.
     
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    Go run the numbers and tell me it's not going to add a **** load of tax...its a horrible financial decision that ties up a huge chunk of our cap in a guy who might be a little better than Ennis.


    For those trading for Ariza, you're dumb as ****. Why would we trade for Ariza with a $15 million contract when we could sign him after a buyout later in the year?

    We need 3 and D players at reasonable prices...Kent Bazemore comes to mind as one of the few that fits that mold.

    JR Smith-bad contract, terrible defender, old and unathletic

    Korver-litrrally can only shoot, bad defender, old and unathletic

    Porter-humongous contract with multiple years left

    Ariza-has a huge contract for him, and could get bought out and signed for the minimum without trading any assets
     
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    The cap isn't a factor as long as you have Capela, Harden and Paul. The Rox WILL BE OVER THE CAP. We're talking a 3-4 year window where you're likely going to pay the tax. After that It's time to rebuild from scratch. The time is now to go for the ring.
     

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