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The @Os Trigonum Ron DeSantis Censorship Special

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Sweet Lou 4 2, Mar 6, 2022.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
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    In Ron Desantis heroic efforts to increase censorship to protect the ears of god fearing conservatives, he's won another glorious victory! Children and teachers will not be allowed to mention the word gay so as not to make anyone uncomfortable. No history or lessons shall mention that anyone was gay. Now teachers and students can pretend that gay never happened, just like racism and slavery!!!! Thank you Dear Leader!

    https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out...rida-house-passes-dont-say-gay-bill-rcna17532
     
  2. rocketsjudoka

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    Places that homosexuality doesn't exist. Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Florida schools.
     
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    You gotta through the CCP in there...
     
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    If all these people don't want gay kids then perhaps they should stop having them.
     
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    From mask bullying to speech rights in schools, you can feel safe that Desantis thinks more about your children than a Catholic Priest.
     
  6. Andre0087

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    What happened to the GOP being constitutional originalist and wanting small gubment?

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    Wait, what??? I mean yeah! Go get ‘em Ronnie!

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    Yes, he is.

    https://m.flsenate.gov/session/bill/2022/1557/billtext/e1/pdf

    That's the actual bill.

    This seems to be the paragraph that is drawing the fake outrage from the left.

    Seems to me that it strengthens parents' rights and protects small children from the fanatism of identity politics. That doesn't mean it's anti-gay. It's just directed against the excesses of identity politics, and that is a good thing.

    I don't need my soon to be 3 year old son to be indoctrinated by some Brown university trained SJW about LGBTQ or whatever the letters are. Fortunately, he will be in Florida and will go to a private institution, so chances of that are low.
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    What does "age appropriate" mean and what are the "state standards"? Are the state standards written in stone or can they change from year to year?
     
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    That's absolutely anti-gay. It has to do with censoring and trying to erase homosexuality. They are afraid it won't be seen as devient should children learn the truth.
     
  12. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes and this whole argument that government shouldn't be teaching their children morals are now asking that government decide what morals should be taught.
     
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    This is incorrect. I quoted the part of the law in question, and all it says is that small children do not get indoctrinated on "gender identity" in the classroom. That's good.

    The ideologues, like any cult, try to catch the children at a young age.

    The law doesn't make any judgment on what the morals have to be, it states that young children should not be indoctrinated by the Brown University rejects and the like.
     
  14. AroundTheWorld

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    The state standards are certainly not what the fanatical ideologues who try to indoctrinate children promote.

    https://www.heritage.org/education/...n-bill-hits-target-gender-ideology-harms-kids

    Florida’s Parental Rights in Education Bill Hits Target: Gender Ideology Harms Kids

    KEY TAKEAWAYS
    Liberal activists are claiming that the parental rights bill would harm kids. Nonsense. It would protect young kids from what is, in effect, sexual grooming.

    The fashionable gender ideology peddled by many schools is contrary to the best medical evidence.

    The new Florida bill recognizes the well-being of children and the right of their parents to raise and teach them.

    Children are being targeted with sexual content—not just in social media, but also in school curriculums. As with other recent controversies, however, leaders in Florida are fighting back.

    Lawmakers in the Sunshine State have introduced a new bill, Parental Rights in Education. If the name doesn’t ring a bell, that may be because big media have mislabeled it as the “Don’t Say Gay” Bill.

    The bill would not ban the word “gay.” Rather, it would protect children from teachers and other school officials who seek to sexualize and bombard them with gender ideology.

    In particular, it would require schools to be transparent with and get permission from parents for any health services students receive. It would also prohibit elementary school teachers from pushing classroom discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity.

    Liberal activists are claiming that the parental rights bill would harm kids. Nonsense. It would protect young kids from what is, in effect, sexual grooming—whether in the classroom or the nurse’s office.

    The fact that this has become a partisan issue is a sign of how bizarre our culture and politics have become.

    In recent years, sexually explicit and age-inappropriate material have flooded America’s classrooms. For example, last year in Washington state, a first-grade teacher read students “I Am Jazz”—an infamous children’s book that promotes transgenderism.

    Sexually Explicit Content Harms Kids

    Anyone with common sense knows that we should protect young children from sexual content. Scientific evidence confirms that wisdom.

    We know that early exposure to sexual content can harm young students. It has been linked to poor “mental health, life satisfaction, sexual behavior and attitudes, and p*rnography-viewing patterns in adulthood.”

    Decent schools used to know that kids need visual and intellectual space to flourish and mature into healthy, balanced adults. Unfortunately, times have changed. Schools are now often a pipeline for sexualizing kids as young as kindergarten.

    The fact that activist-educators do this in the name of “compassion” or “gender equity” doesn’t change what’s really happening.

    Bad Medicine

    What’s more, the fashionable gender ideology peddled by many schools is contrary to the best medical evidence.

    According to the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 88% to 98% of those struggling with gender dysphoria will reconcile with their biological sex after going through puberty.

    Trendy gender interventions can prevent this healing and set children of a lifelong path of surgeries, hormone treatments, costly and painful medical treatment, and physical illness.

    That’s the problem with all three stages of the transition trifecta—puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones, and surgery.

    But even prior social transition can lead to harm. If a girl spends her teen years presenting and imagining herself as a boy, she will be more likely to take the next steps on the path to gender “transition.”

    She won’t get those years back, even if she changes her mind. She will be out of sync with her peers.

    Then there’s the physical harm.


    Puberty blockers have been shown to reduce bone density, which can lead to lifelong problems. Cross-sex hormones can sterilize those who receive them. And removing sex organs is just sterilization—full stop.

    Parents have the most interest and incentive to weigh the options, the risks, and the irreversible, life-altering consequences of these methods.

    A healthy culture recognizes that parents—not teachers and school nurses—have the chief responsibility for helping their children who struggle with their sexed bodies.

    Transparency

    Of course, there’s honest debate about what is age-appropriate and about what is the best treatment for those with gender dysphoria. So, in short, who should decide: teachers, administrators, or parents?

    The Florida bill sides with parents—as it should. That’s why much of it is about transparency for parents. Parents can then decide when, if, and how their kids will be exposed to sexually explicit content and referred for therapy and medical treatment.

    In a normal world, a law mandating transparency wouldn’t be needed.

    Teachers would share the values and priorities of the parents in their communities. Today, however, many public schools treat parents as hostile and reactionary impediments to gender indoctrination.

    Those schools aid and abet in the “social transition” of kids who request it—using and enforcing “preferred pronouns” and the like—while hiding it from parents. Parents in Wisconsin and Florida are currently suing their school districts for doing just that.

    Such deception strikes at the natural bond between parents and their children. Moms and dads, not teachers and principals, know their children best.

    Moms and dad have the right and responsibility to raise their children. They may delegate some of the details to schools, but that does not mean they give up their prerogatives.

    The new Florida bill recognizes the well-being of children and the right of their parents to raise and teach them. Other states should ignore the liberal media trolls and follow Florida’s lead.
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    And it could be something as simple as a gay teacher having a picture of their partner on their desk and having a grade schooler ask about it.

    A straight teacher could result say, "oh, that's my husband" and not think twice about saying so. A gay teacher wouldn't have that same freedom and would have to hide their relationship or risk getting sued.
     
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    What's indoctrination in this case? Acknowledging that LGBTQ people exist and that not to treat them like ostracized black sheep of the community?

    Is that indoctrination to you?
     
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    The cult is trying to indoctrinate children. The cult of those who believe there's something wrong if a person is homosexual.
     
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  18. rocketsjudoka

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    The key term there is "state standards". That by definition is the state determining what are moral standards.
     
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    @AroundTheWorld

    Discrimination against LGBTQ people and propaganda against them is only unacceptable if it's brown muslims doing it...

    AMIRITE?
     
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