Your candidate took more money from Fannie Mae and Freddy Mac than all but one politician in Washinton..... yea! vote for him. Fanny Mae and Freddy Mack were instrumental in our economic problems... guess what those are guberment backed programs. When Enron collapsed the crooks at the top went to jail but fannie and freddy kept their bonuses... its great to work for the guberment huh?
I don't believe the country was founded on hard work?? I'm not even sure what that means. I'm guessing, like today, there were hard workers and not so hard workers alive and working when this country was founded. Sounds like a lot of civic religion to me. Including a reference to founding fathers and everything. I'm not kneeling at that altar. I don't have some crazy illusions about the good old days which really weren't that good to begin with. There are lots of things this government does that I'm really no longer interested in funding. For instance, they take $.36 out of every dollar I give them to build a military equipped to blow up the world a kabillion times over. Yeah, I'm not interested in the expanse of your empire...so please shave some of that off and send my refund or redirect it to something that might actually affirm something I care about. Neither of these candidates will reflect what I would have them reflect. Both of these candidates believe the United States is the hope of the world, and I do not believe that. I'm left with a choice between these two men. I do not vote my pocketbook. I don't believe tweaking an already progressive income tax code means Lenin is in power. I'm far more concerned with government for and by corporations. It's time for a pendulum shift.
you know rhad... its funny you post a picture of Homer because you have added a similar level of intelligent discussion to what I imagine Homer would. I have yet to meet one of Obama's sheep that could intelligently discuss this without resorting to name calling. They all dismiss the truth and cling to their pretty candidate blindly. But they are all going to pay if he actually becomes the president.
Well we can agree on something... we don't like either candidate. We have just chosen different evils.
Brother, that ship sailed in 1913 and the passage of the 16th Amendment. I've heard time and time again how Obama is for redistribution...as if this is somehow different than our government has been for decades now. Yes...tax money is redistributed. We have the privilege of living in a nation that pools money from its citizens and divides it up for things we value. We elect who we want to emphasize the things we value. We call that representative government...a republic, if you will. We've had radical progressives like Ronald Reagan aruge for a higher earned income credit, to account for inflation. But aside from crazy liberals like that, the tax code has been tweaked over time. But the goofiest notion is that the Republicans are fiscally conservative. That's the most disingenous argument I've seen. Both parties spend. I'm more comfortable RIGHT NOW with the one who argues that we probably need to start paying for the things we've spent on...like wars in Iraq and bailouts of corporate greed.
You have consistently ignored the proof in this very thread......and it seems your ideas of government or taxes are childish at worst, ill-informed at best...... DD
Actually, I like 'em both, as people. I think McCain or Obama would be amazing company over a St. Arnold Christmas Ale at the Mucky Duck.
There will be four years, and with luck, eight years of beating back this kind of crap. I'm not going for it today. I'm serene and happy. Just for today, and maybe tomorrow when they try to bring us down, let them flail and flop about.
I think it'll be more of a case of you guys bringing yourselves down. Unfortunately, what Obama does or doesn't do will affect all of us, not just those who voted for him.
2 things are certain in life, The kansas city royals sucking and Taxes! So do you want your taxes going towards the promotion of "democracy" in foreign lands where investments are present; or health care for all? what would jesus want? think about that.
You do realize that the predatory lending that caused these problems was pushed for by the Clinton administration and the current democratic congress voted down legislation for more oversite on these programs. George W. is hated for the Iraq war but he didn't cause the current economic crisis. He is easy to blame if you don't mind ignoring the facts.
I lost my motivation to really argue with you after this stunning display of ignorance. But... since you called me out, allow me to return fire. I have not called you anything. And I honestly don't have to. You have: 1) Implied that this race is divided along a fallacious boundary that can be loosely translated as "real hard-working patriotic americans" vs "welfare-state losers". 2) Mistakenly attributed some sort of anti-taxation status to the founding fathers. 3) Foolishly claimed that all taxation is without merit. 4) Displayed outright ignorance in regards to the concept of socialism, and what Obama's tax plan actually entails. 5) Made disengenous claims about Obama's ties to FRE. Most of that money came from individuals, and McCain's campaign is loaded with FRE connections. Really a wash in terms of relevance. Not one of your arguments is inherently factual. What's more, none of your arguments provide any insight into what the alternative candidate is doing that is better or more acceptable, even if one assumed your anti-Obama rhetoric was legitimate. Given the above two observations I am left to conclude that you are both ignorant about that which you oppose, and unsure of what you support. This makes you pathetically uninformed, in an obvious and pitiable way. If you manage to make a coherant argument about why you dislike a particular plan in favor of an alternative plan (perhaps one espoused by the alternative candidate) then you might recieve real responses from me, or from the other Obama supporters that are happy to explain their points of view and rationale. Until then, your mildly McCarthy-esque fear-mongering and poorly supported claims will continue to be viewed with amusement and bored contempt.
