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The Official T-Mac as a Knick Thread

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by shastarocket, Feb 18, 2010.

  1. Garner

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    Hill, Jeffries key to Houston's win over former Rocket McGrady, Knicks

    NEW YORK -- Tracy McGrady asked to go back in, believing he could help pull out a victory over the team that didn't want him anymore.

    Instead, the day belonged to the players the Houston Rockets acquired when they shipped McGrady out.
    Sheridan: Ex-Knicks Come Up Big
    Tracy McGrady's alumni game against his former team was impacted more by the two players the Knicks sent to the Rockets in order to acquire McGrady and his mammoth expiring contract, writes Chris Sheridan. Blog

    Kevin Martin scored 28 points, Jared Jeffries and rookie Jordan Hill played key roles down the stretch, and Houston rallied to beat the New York Knicks 116-112 on Sunday.

    The Rockets acquired Martin from Sacramento, and Hill and Jeffries from New York last month in a three-team deal at the trade deadline. The two big men played bigger roles than usual because of injuries and illnesses to Houston's frontcourt.

    "When you have a part, a hand in your team winning, especially against a former team, it's always fun," Jeffries said.

    Hill finished with a season-high 13 points, while Jeffries, who had been the Knicks' best defensive player, stepped in to take some crucial charges in the final quarter.

    "I was trying to find anybody who wanted to guard somebody. He did a great job when he came in," Houston coach Rick Adelman said of Jeffries. "I just thought his length, he could guard [Al] Harrington, he could guard Tracy. He did a great job."

    Aaron Brooks scored seven straight points in the closing minutes and finished with 16 for the Rockets, who rebounded from Friday's loss to Boston and won for the fifth time in six games. Reserves Kyle Lowry and Chase Budinger each scored 18 as Houston won despite getting little from ailing forward Luis Scola, then losing Shane Battier to a first-half knee injury.

    McGrady finished with 15 points, seven rebounds and five assists in 33 minutes, but was scoreless in the fourth. He missed all three shots after asking to re-enter to play 5 minutes in the final period, even though he was already over his average of about 25 a game.

    "When you play with some of those guys for five, six years, you definitely want to go out there and compete against them and show them up a little bit," McGrady said.

    David Lee had 27 points and 20 rebounds for the Knicks, who blew an early 17-point lead. Danilo Gallinari and Toney Douglas each scored 26, with Douglas making a franchise rookie-record six 3-pointers in the best game of his career.

    Houston trailed by three before Brooks' 3-pointer with 2:15 to go. After McGrady was short on a jumper, Brooks broke the tie with a floater with 1:49 left, then made it 114-110 with just under a minute remaining by knocking down a long jumper.

    Knicks coach Mike D'Antoni blamed his team's poor transition defense.
    "We did not get back and that's where you lose the game," he said. "You can't control a call here and there. You can't control Aaron Brooks making those big shots, which they were hard shots. But you can control getting back. We didn't get back. We did that in the second quarter and we did it in the fourth, right at the end of the game. It cost us."

    The three-team deal also sent the Knicks' 2012 first-round pick to Houston. Moving Jeffries' $6.9 million salary was the key for the Knicks, giving them about $32 million, tops in the league, in salary cap space this summer. The Rockets were able to land a coveted scorer in Martin, whom they envision playing alongside Yao Ming next season.

    McGrady was a perennial All-Star but frequently injured in Houston. He had microfracture knee surgery in February 2009 and returned in December, but the Rockets played him only sparingly for six games before deciding he wouldn't be in the rotation, then allowing him to leave the team and work out on his own while they explored a trade.

    Adelman said McGrady is still one of the best passers and playmakers in the league, but said the former scoring champion just couldn't help the Rockets when he returned.

    "He wasn't ready to play. It's a very simple explanation," Adelman said before the game. "He missed the year before, he came back and he wanted to come back and play, but last year we played him on one leg and we had Yao and we had Ron Artest and we were able to do that for a while and get by. But this year it was really hard to put him out there and play him when he really wasn't ready."

    McGrady was active early, playing the entire first quarter and finishing with eight points and five rebounds in helping New York take a 32-17 lead. Houston charged back in the second, using a 12-0 run midway through the period to grab a one-point lead on Hill's basket. The Knicks took a 64-62 lead into halftime.

    Both teams shot at least 60 percent in the third quarter, which ended with New York leading 94-92.

    Game notes
    Battier missed the second half after hyperextending his left knee late in the second quarter. ... McGrady also picked up a technical foul for complaining about a foul with 5:04 remaining in the third quarter. ... Bothered by an upset stomach, Scola was limited to four points and one rebound in 22 1/2 minutes. He averaged 23.9 points and 13.0 rebounds in the previous eight games.

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    ...and with that, ladies and gentlemen, I can call this season a complete success. How sweet it is.
     
  2. meh

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    Would you consider T-Mac "done" if he plays a role similar to Deke with us?

    Remember that before we got him, Mutumbo was pretty much "done". But he found a niche on this team, performing incredibly well in a limited role. And there's no reason to think T-Mac can't do something similar,. T-Mac doesn't need his explosiveness for passing. He still has a decent jumper. On defense, he's just a perimeter player who's deficiencies can be covered by good teammates.
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    Although I think T-Mac will go to the team that pays/play him the most, t's really best if he goes to a team where he can find a niche role. He can still shoot okay and his passing's still elite. A good coach will find use for that.
     
  3. A_3PO

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    Actually the gray matter that's between McGrady's ears is the reason to think he won't do something similar. If you honestly believe playing 10-15 minutes every other game will work for McGrady, feel free to be wrong. But everyone is entitled to an opinion.
     
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    So you're saying there's no chance T-Mac will take a lesser role on a team? I'm the type who prefers to think the future has many possibilities. But if you like to think in absolutes, well, everyone indeed is entitled to an opinion.
     
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    Other than his 4th quarter dud, he played decent. Like Bill said, he's still a smart, unselfish player that can make plays for himself or others. But probably isn't there physically, which is the story of T-Mac for the past few years. Hope he does well, just not against Houston. :grin:

    I think T-Mac thought he was ready because he could go for 7 minutes. He never got extended minutes here so he never really knew how ready he was. Once he got more than seven minutes in New York, he knew he was not ready.
     
  6. RocketRick

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    His passing looked off to me. Lots of missed passes like the behind the back or passing to a player when there is only 2 seconds left on the clock. No clutch play for T-Mac anymore.
     
  7. Jeff Who

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    You may be right. That might be what happend.

    But still, he shouldn't have said the things he said especially about himself being motivated and ready.

    You are playing for a loosing team, you can do whatever you want, you can attemps as many shots as you want, you call yourself the best player on your team. And it is your CONTRACT year.

    Every normal person would try as hard as he can. But instead, he has moments when he looks like he doesn't really care. I don't understand it AT ALL.
     
  8. A_3PO

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    Actually I used Deke as an example since you did. There is no way he would take that type of role on a team. Clearly he's willing to take a reduced role of some sort (if you believe his words). But if you think he'll accept anything less than being a major rotational player, you are dreaming.
     
  9. MrAwe

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    I think his body just gave out, or the mentality just isn't there. This is why I like watching NCAA more sometimes. You can clearly tell that they are way more determined and try way harder.
     
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    Yup, the explosion just isn't there. He may get by players sometime, but that is only because he has such a great handle and talent.

    He can definitely get some of it back, but that is not gonna happen by playing 25 minutes a game and spend most of it standing around. He needs to work his ass off and sprint up and down the court until he can't feel his legs anymore. Really, there's no training needed, like Barney Stinson says, you just run.
     
  11. Rip Van Rocket

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    He won't get any of it back, it's gone. I'm sorry, but his body is worn out. He has been working out and training for this comeback for months, he's not going to be any younger next year either. The same thing happened to Hakeem at the end of his career. When you get old, your body stops working. T-Mac is done.
     
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    he should learn to play like carter
     
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    TMac's at best a role player's capability with a star's mentality now. And the fact that he plays no defense and has attitude problem, he's looking exactly at AI.

    Lottery team doesn't exactly need him, he hinders the development of young players. Contenders may want to pick him up, but not for more than veteran's minimum.

    He's gonna have hard time to find a contract next season. He may as well just retire for his ego.

     
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    honestly, did anyone just see tmac almost poster the Bird Man.

    That was sick! LOL
     
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    Holy **** tmacs still got some ups! he just about rode birdman onto a poster! its been awhile since ive seen this
     
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    i know right ^^^^^
     
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    Tracy still has something left in the tank. It looks likes he starting to get some of his legs back. He almost put the hammer down on birdman.
     
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    He is making you look like a fool tonight
     
  19. TheGreat

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    His hops look pretty good. But why is he still slow?
     
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    video ?
     

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