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The official KPJ as building block thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sydmill, Mar 2, 2022.

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KPJ part of your Rockets foundation?

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  2. No

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  1. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
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    If you don't realize that's EXACTLY what I just did then I pity you.

    You in a pathetically dishonest move cited a 2 game sample to push a false narrative....I then showed you why that was dishonest by citing a sample twice as large of your hero.....and somehow you are at least pretending to have missed the point.

    Do try to work with me here....I'm sure even someone as blinded by bias can grasp what I'm telling you.
     
  2. Bobbythegreat

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    That assumes they are fans of the team rather than merely fans of one player.
     
  3. anchel

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    His level of defensive activity is very low and given his terrible habits will never be the minimum necessary for the postion. He's not a natural PG and can't run properly an offense, and neither he is an efficient scoring PG...... If that was not enough, he's capping the potential of our true franchise player. I like the guy and recognize his overcomings, but wishing him the best I would trade him.
     
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  4. ApacheWarrior

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    Really? Why do you think this?

    Just curious, because he is 20th in the league in Ast%

    15) Haliburton...32.2%
    16) Jrue Holiday...31.7%
    17) Beal....31.3%
    18) Curry...31.3%
    19) Kevin Porter jr...31.2%
    20) LeBron...30.9%


    http://bkref.com/pi/shareit/1fsl0

    31.2% last season as well as a Rocket. I'm guessing we are tanking and holding back
    while not trying
    to look our best as a team or individually.


     
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  5. Believe It!

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    If they have the chance and don't take one of the Big 3 (Preferably Jabari), I would be shocked. Although with the current regime maybe I shouldn't be.

    Out of the options you provided IMO Ivey / Green without a doubt. KPJ is not on Ivey's level.

    Beyond top 3 Griffin would be the obvious choice without the injury history.
     
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    can’t dispute anything I say, so u desperately pivot to Jalen Green…this after bringing up Schroder thinking u were actually making some sort of point…yawn, u bore me…it’s almost too easy at this point

    next time u quote me, stay on topic so I’ll at least have to try
     
  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Oh.... so you really aren't brought enough to understand what I showed you..... yikes.

    Even a halfway intelligent person would easily understand what I was showing you, but you deadass thought I was "pivoting to Jalen Green" and being off topic?

    Damn kid, now I just feel bad for you.

    I mean, I was spelling out basic concepts to the point of absolutely talking down to you and you still somehow failed to grasp those basic concepts...... that REALLY bad.
     
  8. TheRealist137

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    I see Westbrook above Porter on that list. Does that make current Russell a starter? People gotta stop acting like stats are the end all be all. Watch them play. Those same stats that make Christian Wood look good even though he’s also awful. KPJ more often than not plays poorly. That’s a red flag in his 3rd season
     
  9. ApacheWarrior

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    Thank you for your time

    We don't share the same opinion, but thank you. Westbrook's issues are not
    his passing as a point guard, it's what he does when not passing. Like bricking
    shot after shot off the side of the backboard or air balls.

    LeBron and company would like nothing better than Westbrook driving and passing the
    whole game long.....alas, Westbrook sees things differently.
     
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    Yes, and Mo Williams, and Terrence Ross, and Rashard Lewis, and Tony Delk.. I’m well aware
     
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    And this is when I can prove that your opinion is wrong with stats. KPJ has the same TS% and a higher TOV% than Westbrook this year.

    All the things that make Westbrook trash you can say about Porter Jr.
     
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  12. Bobbythegreat

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    When people go this route, and it seems to be a popular talking point among the Jalen Green cult, it shows that they fundamentally don't understand why Russell Westbrook is a cancer to his team and always has been to some extent.

    It's not his passing.... it's his refusal to pass, it's his ego, it's that he cares more about stat padding than anything else. It's the awful shots he takes.... it's what is missing between his ears.

    When people fail to understand why Westbrook is bad it makes me lose any respect I might have had for their basketball analysis.
     
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    “Westbrook refuses to pass”
    Yet he has a higher AST rate than Porter Jr. and averages more assists than him. You yourself has tried to use assist numbers to prop up KPJ. I’m merely using your own argument against you.

    “WB takes bad shots”
    KPJ has the same TS% as him. They are both terrible at efficiency. I see KPJ take awful shots.

    “Wb Missing between the ears”
    Oh you mean like KPJ quitting on his team at halftime of a game? Or throwing a tantrum which led Cleveland to give him away for free?
     
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    What if rockets traded wood and Gordon., Drafted Ivey and had a lineup of Ivey, green, kpj, Tate, senguin. Not suggesting they do it but what if
     
  15. ApacheWarrior

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    For someone who claims to not believe in stats you seem to be
    clinging to them pretty hard.

    TS% uses FT% and yes Porter has not shot FT's well. So you are saying
    his lack of FT shooting is a reason? Ok, you forgot to include that
    in your post when I asked you why he is not starting material.

    TOV% is equal or similar to that of
    Harden 19.4
    and
    Kyle Lowry 20.1
    (Two pretty good players......both starters)

    Kevin Porter 20.5

    One stat does not make a player....goes both ways

    Seems like you have issues with Westbrook. That's your mistake, confusing
    Porter jr for Westbrook.
     
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  16. ApacheWarrior

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    @TheRealist137

    Point Guard first and foremost job on offense must be to set
    up the offense and put players in position to score.

    Despite your hate, Westbrook led the league in assists in 3 seasons:
    17/18......10.3
    18/19......10.7
    20/21......11.7

    You could never do that once, so show some respect.
     
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  17. Bobbythegreat

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    The amount of kindergarten level sophistry in this thread by the cult is truly fascinating.

    I'm not sure who you think you're fooling with it, but rock on I guess.
     
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    I'm not trying to **** on anyone other than coaching. We can be better if we develop both Green and KPJ as SG/SF. Hate seeing Green not doing anything but spotting up in the corner. Meanwhile you see Cade and Mobley are doing whole lot more for their team.
     
  19. Believe It!

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    If we landed the top pick, would they be foolish enough to pass on Jabari?
     
  20. Bobbythegreat

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    I could see them passing on Jabari for Chet, taking anyone else with the top pick would be weird.
     

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