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The official KPJ as building block thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sydmill, Mar 2, 2022.

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KPJ part of your Rockets foundation?

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  1. Downtown Sniper

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    The thing about the good and great point guards, is what's between their ears.

    That is what ultimately will keep KPJ from being as good as he could be.
     
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    Jennings was well on his way to being a good sixth man until his body broke down, that’s the point. He also did it against the trash pre-Kerr, bum ankle Curry Warriors
     
  3. vator

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    Jaden Ivey is a combo guard like KPJ. Who has more potential out of the 2? Is Ivey even an upgrade?

    We obviously need tall talent this draft, but God forbid we don’t get a top 3 pick, Ivey will need to be discussed.
     
  4. TheRealist137

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    KPJ is not a starter in this league
     
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    I can only see KPJ in jail long term. Rockets better pick Ivey, who is the next Ja Morant.
     
  6. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    I didn't think so for most of this season, but recently his shooting and ast:to ratio improved. I'm not ready to consider him a building block yet, but I'm also not ready to move off of him as I was earlier in the season. I think he bough himself another season at PG unless we end up with Ivey.
     
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  7. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    not yet. neither is Jalen or alpy at the moment either. but I can see how he can become a starter.

    I didn't see a path for KPJ to even become an NBA starter at the beginning of the season when the only skill he has was a handle. he's shown some efficient shooting lately which makes him at least a rotation player when combined with his handle. and he's recently improved his ast:to ratio.

    If he can combine all 3 of those skills I think he's a high level rotation player. Now if he becomes elite at any of those 3 skills or adds consistent defense as a 4th skill, then he's a starter. Since he's shown flashes of those skills I'm willing now to give him another season to see if he can bring them all together consistently. there's a road to a starting PG here.
     
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  8. vator

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    Fun fact , Jalen Green is only 4 days older than Jaden Ivey. February 9, 2002 and February 13, 2002.

    When considering KPJ as a potential building block and if we miss out on preferred options like Chet and Jabari, which potential backcourt of the future seems most appealing? KPJ/Green, Ivey/Green or even KPJ/Ivey?
     
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    Interesting stats. Wonder what the road splits look like.

     
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  10. Bobbythegreat

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    Jaden Ivey would be a waste of a pick unless you were thinking of moving on from Jalen Green already. I can't think of a more worthless pick than going after a 6'4 SG the year after drafting Jalen Green.

    The pick needs to be used on a SF, PF, or C. If there's not one worth picking, trade down for someone who will overpay for Ivey.
     
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  11. vator

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    Definitely need size and length in this draft. In the scenario that Ivey is best player available though you have to consider all options. That pick would be coveted by teams who believe in Ivey. There is also the option of drafting Ivey if you’re enamored with him yourself and trading one of the other guards for a top draft pick and using that pick on a SF, PF, or C. The problem with that scenario is it depends on which guard you are willing to part with. For you it’s Green and I think he still gets you a lottery pick in return which would net a good prospect. KPJ on the other hand has far less trade value in my opinion.
     
  12. Reeko

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    37/37/65 shooting splits on the road averaging 13, 4, and 5…49% TS…yuck

    at home he shoots 55% from the free throw line

    that tweet is trying to praise him for 52% TS at home when that’s way below average

    KPJr after the ASB has 31/25/40 shooting splits and 38% TS

    lol, my gawd…yikes
     
  13. Bobbythegreat

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    Personally I'm not willing to part with either guard. I know the Green cult has invented some kind of "Green vs KPJ" nonsense.....but that is only in their minds. There's really no conflict there.

    I don't see an issue so long as the Rockets stay in the top 4. Much like the Rockets did with Jalen Green, I think someone will reach on Ivey early too so you'd likely have at least one of Chet, Jabari, or Banchero, to pick.
     
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    Man you crazy kids sure are reaching.....you realize you are citing a 2 game sample....when returning from injury.

    Could you possibly get any more dishonest?

    If someone wanted to cite a 4 game sample of Jalen Green where he shot 16% from 3 while averaging 8.5, 4, and 2 with a 30% TS and a .235 eFG% would it be earth shattering?

    It's twice the sample size you just foolishly cited.
     
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  15. MaxRider

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    Corey Brewer career best is 51 points. Just saying.
     
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  16. vator

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    That’s what I hope happens. If we aren’t top 3 somebody falls in love with his highlight reel and physique and draft him top 3. I think Ivey is going to have ups and downs and growing pains his rookie year just like all the guards drafted this year. He’s very raw. A super athlete, but raw. I’m a little worried about his shooting in general and his playmaking if you expect him to play point for you. He’ll figure it out sooner or later, but drafting another young streaky guard isn’t ideal right now.

    All that being said, he’s very exciting to watch. Sport center would love us. We’d be the Sacramento Kings of drafting guards though when they went Fox, Haliburton, and Mitchell. They did flip Hali for Sabonis though in the end.
     
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    burlesk Serious business

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    Thoughtful take. Good balance of skepticism and openness.
     
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    dispute my facts with something of substance for once

    keep desperately bringing up Jalen Green…I thought I told u to stay on topic when you’re quoting me…if u can’t do that, then keep it moving
     
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    Why do you guys try to **** on KPJ and then praise Green. They are all on our team, we should want them both to play well.
     
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    I personally don’t think it’s an either or situation, but a lot of people on both sides of the fence think one of them has to go.

    That being said, I think the poll answers your question in regards to the negativity. Just like a poll for Wood, despite his stats, would undoubtedly be mostly negative. I haven’t even voted, but as of right now, 64% of the people that have done so, don’t believe in KPJ as a foundational piece of any kind at any position on this team compared to 36% that do. This is even after him having the hottest streak and best games of his young NBA career. He’s never been more consistent and yet there is still a lot to like and not like about the way he plays the game.

    I’m admittedly undecided.
     
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