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The official KPJ as building block thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sydmill, Mar 2, 2022.

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KPJ part of your Rockets foundation?

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  1. Houston77

    Houston77 COOKIES AND CAKE, MY TEAM BAKED!
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    How about this: Post a game since Wood’s benching in which KPJ doesn’t hit an alley-oop, cutter, etc.
     
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    “KPJ doesn’t use any pnr, alley oops and cuts”

    https://youtube.com/shorts/Um6l-bxYgoI?feature=share

    https://youtube.com/shorts/jYgODBLYQ5c?feature=share



    (last season pnr highlight reel)

    That statement is just false.

    But I think you’re getting playmaker confused with floor general. KPJ is a good playmaker but a poor floor general.
     
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    1. Is kpj a traditional pg?
    No he's a score first guard with ok passing ability. That's fine as long as he shoots it efficiently and put up points. Averaging 15 ppg is not good enough.

    2. Is kpj a good play maker?
    No folks like to point out that him averaging 6 assist per game = evidence right there. Man hardly/rarely/doesn't utilize (cuts,pnr, alley oop) to generate open looks to his teammates.

    U guys are literally nitpicking my words when the majority of his passes/assists r basically to open shooters camp at the 3 or passes that force his teammate to make a bucket with their skills.

    I think harden is an elite playmaker while folks shts on his game due to the high turnover and sht. But there's no way u can say kpj playmaking ability is even close to hardens and its not as simple as saying well harden averages 10 while kpj averages 6.

    3. Can he and green coexist. Yea, as long as kpj ups his ppg and green is more active/willing to shoot. A scoring first pg has shown that it can work.

    Kpj with his last few games performance can certainly b the faux pg for the rockets. He's certainly not going to elevate his teammates offense due to his play making abilities but who cares if he can put up the pts. That's my take.

    Ima end it with this folks that btch about harden as the point guard being too iso heavy and want "team ball". Kpj as our faux pg is just an inferior imitation of harden.
     
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    You're not seeing as many lobs or PnR because Wood hasn't played.

    JG does better in DHO and cuts. Sengun is not good at all as a roller, ends up more as short roller who passes ball back out at FT line or initiates offense at elbow. Mathews and Tate are corner shooters.

    KJ is a cutter for most part but should get more PnR opportunities but his mins usually come with 2nd unit. Garuba has hardly played.

    And FYI - I agree with you that KPJ is at his best as score first PG.

    He makes even the best in the NBA look silly when he goes into Harden mode - KD, Siakam, Drummond, Barnes, etc. it doesnt matter to him.

     
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    So you can’t post any evidence supporting your points. How sad.
     
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    Idk y folks get triggered when I think kpjs not good at play making.

    Folks like to think averaging 6 assist is a good indication of his "good" play making abilities.

    When u see sengun sets his teammates up for buckets vs kpj, it's like they playing a different a game in terms of play making.
     
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    Sengun makes some difficult WOW passes but these do not always lead to points.

    Sometimes the simple passes are best.

    Sengun is still too turnover prone but still only his 1st season and finally getting HC trust.
     
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    Post. Evidence.

    It’s hilarious how the anti-KPJ squad bashes people for using stats but refuses to post evidence supporting their points.
     
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    What stats r u using to counter the statement that kpj isn't a good play maker? it's hilarious folks pointing at 6 assists like it means anything. Being a point guard is more than assist numbers. It’s about making others around you better, controlling the offense, and being a leader. Kpj currently lacks the ability to do that. What he does have is the ability to score which is y i said as long as he ups his ppg he can b thr pg. I liken him to kyrie but kyrie is a superior play maker.

    Got to stop wrapping your head around assist numbers like it's definite evidence. Sengun has been touted around here as the superior playmaker does he have the assist numbers to back it up? No u can just watch the game and see the difference between kpj and sengun.
     
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    It’s from ESPN, it’s 7.3 assists last 10 sorry not 8. He also upped his PPG which you were asking from your post initially which also was my point. His defense without Green on the court has been almost elite too numbers wise.
     
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    I saw KPJ deliver a few good passes to Sengun in the Toronto game.

    The mark of a good playmaker is whether you can center the offense around the P&R reliably or if you need to run a more set-based motion offense.

    Considering the Rockets are 16th in P&R Ball Handler frequency, and 26th in PPP when the ball-handler takes the shot in the P&R with a pathetic 0.80 PPP, I'd say KPJ has done a sub-par job of running the offense.
     
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    Wood doesn’t exactly play a P&R game or even sets picks for his team mates to score. Not saying that’s exactly why but Wood def isn’t a P&R player, the picks he sets are for him to score and that’s mainly to slip to the 3PT line.
     
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    I literally posted video evidence. You’ve done nothing.
     
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    A video of one game sample size with him having a great game doesn't mean he's a good play maker.
     
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    scoring phenomenon. I honestly believe Wood playstyle was holding everybody back with his playstyle glad results validate this take
     
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    Correlation does not imply causation.
     
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    29-7-7 is ridiculous.

     
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    Yes, and if people look at the video clips almost every play has the defense sagging
    extra defenders of at least 3 defenders in the paint; often 4 defenders.

    All season long facilitators have been like the salmon swimming up stream because
    the Rockets offer no corner 3-pt shooters and Tate/Kenyon can be left alone at the
    3-pt line. Next year should be a different animal if you have a 6'10" Jabari or 7'0"
    Chet ready to accept a 3-pt CnS. Or add a 6'8" Keegan Murray or 6'6" Mathurin (shot
    37% on 6 3PA's per game).

    Porter used this season to learn the point guard role....he is just getting started.
    We are seeing just the tip of the iceberg right now.
     
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