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The official KPJ as building block thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sydmill, Mar 2, 2022.

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KPJ part of your Rockets foundation?

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  1. Francis3422

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    I think his ankle is still messed up but this is definitely accurate. I don't think he has trade value and I don't think he has future value to this team. I'd be fine if we cut him today.
     
  2. StrawberryJamm

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    Could use that sentence on every Rocket.

    Not saying we should keep him, but I see him as more likely to fix the holes in his game/head and get playoff minutes on a good team down the line than guys like Tate or Wood. Narrative may exist that we gave up on a 21 year old to quick. You're free to disagree.
     
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  3. YOLO

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    not really. Someone like Tate actually impacts winning. The things he does are actually positives to a team. KPJ on the other hand not so much.
     
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  4. DaDakota

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    No need to do that, we have to pay him for next season, and this season we are tanking.....so we got an entire year to go, at least.

    DD
     
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  5. StrawberryJamm

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    Alright my bad, I will think all the same things you think from now on.
     
  6. sydmill

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    I'd offer him a very team friendly extension this summer. Whether he signs or not he'd be a trade candidate next deadline if his attitude isn't adjusted or if he's not fitting with the rest of the roster. But I'm willing to accept that some if his issues are related to the circumstances of the Rockets. KPJ needs to be led and there is very little leadership on this squad.
     
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  7. Bobbythegreat

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    Oh, you mean like the kind of thing that would break your concentration and take your head out of the game? Kid, it's not a mystery.....the same type of thing happens to athletes in literally every sport when they are trying to play through an injury. There's times when they are completely locked in that it'll appear as if they are fine, other times, it's more apparent they are dealing with an injury. It used to happen to Harden all the time because he was notorious for playing through injuries.

    Look, I also get that you mindless Jalen Green fans irrationally hate KPJ, but you are making yourselves look really stupid pretending that an injury we all saw happen isn't real just so you can bash someone you foolishly (and erroneously) think is a rival for your deity. Go touch some grass for a bit, maybe you'll get some insight as to how the real world works that way.
     
  8. BonziWellsGOAT

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    You really just repeat yourself and call ppl kids and in your mind you won the argument lol funny stuff truly. I use the Jalen Green example to point out the hypocrisy of yourself and others who lambasted him for every little thing outside of basketball. You'll hide behind your script of how terrible he was and how you were just giving legit criticism. Point being is I would be calling it out if it was anybody else on the team who was unjustly belittled. I pointed out to DD that it's unfair to the rookies on this team that have busted their ass and done things the right way and have been nothing but professional to say KPJ has grown as much as them. You have an agenda, I get it, and one of your ways to rail against the "cultists" is to prop up KPJ at all costs even when it contradicts so much of what you b****ed about w Green and others. KPJ has been unprofessional and doesn't put in half the work of the players even younger than him but you get on here and call ppl out for not putting up w his bullsh*t? Nah nobody is buying what you're selling. You may have deluded yourself into believing it but not anyone else

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    If you've never seen someone milk/feign an injury because of embarrassment then you're the one who hasn't played ball buddy.
     
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  9. snowconeman22

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    If we thought this year was a big test for KPJ , next year will be an even more thorough one .

    Green is going to look to take a step forward
    JC too
    We will add more talent with another high pick and a mid 1st too .

    the team as a Whole will be looking to take a step forward. If Silas is still he will be under pressure too .

    now , I’m sure we aren’t saying it’s .500 or bust ... but the bar can’t be 20 ****ing wins .

    I say all this to say , the stakes are real now for KPJ . FA next year , his play and production will determine if he can secure enough $ to last a lifetime... or if he will have to keep fighting an uphill battle .

    Pressure has been off . It will be on even more , or he will be moved if we draft a guard top 5 .

    Lemme ask y’all this ..
    Do you think wood has been playing a bit better / harder since sengun started coming on ? .... imo yes .

    these guys aren’t clueless .
    They can see the competition .

    a disclaimer of course in case of injury . But I really do think the rockets (meaning tilman /stone) will start Caring about wins more next year ... or they should .
     
  10. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm typically dealing with either fairly stupid people, or people completely blinded by cognitive bias.

    I'm not going to speculate as to which of the two it is in this instance, but the point is.....why would I take someone saying such completely moronic BS seriously? You act as if you deserve that charity, but I see no reason for it.

    Not realizing what it's like to attempt to play through an ankle injury is forgivable...but when you double down on that stupidity you have to realize that you'll be dismissed outright.

    You STILL whine about me criticizing Jalen Green for playing incredibly poorly back when he played incredibly poorly.....and in your simplistic mind, it's the same as accusing a player of faking an injury that we all witnessed. You claim that I have "an agenda", when it's just blatantly obvious that you are the one worshiping a certain player and just about anything you say is a DIRECT result of that mindless hero worship. If you're older than 15, and you likely are, that's just pathetic.

    Sorry kid, if you can't do better than that, you deserve to be ridiculed for it.
     
  11. DatRocketFan

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    i find it incredibly dumb, that any criticism towards KPJ, boobythegreat, DD and other folks will accuse it as "only green folks" acting wild.

    If u actually watch the game, u can clearly see that KPJ lacks the required pg ability/vision to elevate us into winning games. Him and wood generates stats, but we get blown out consistently.


    Move KPJ to the bench or sixth man and draft a real point guard. He does not fit well enough with Green and his playmaking abilities isn't creating easy shots for his teammates. Unless u think green should b benched so KPJ can play his tru position alongside a real point guard.

    The sooner we figure out what to do with KPJ, the faster this rebuild can proceed. Him as a point guard isn't working.
     
  12. BonziWellsGOAT

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    Theres no talking to those ppl. I just tried lol Booby in particular is literally like talking to a brick wall. He will just regurgitate the same 3 things and call you a kid and that's it. At least DD switches it up and keeps it fresh from time to time
     
  13. DatRocketFan

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    If we draft a big man, chet (I hear is well liked). I can see us doing another year of the KPJ as pg experiment.

    I would like him to do more PNR with a big that is willing to set picks.

    Who knows.
     
  14. DaDakota

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    Wouldn't that be something!

    KPJ and Green running the PnR with a true big....mix in a lil Nix and Christopher and away we go.

    DD
     
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  15. DatRocketFan

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    What do u think our plan is gonna b with sengun if we draft a big man?

    Is he gonna play Wood's position (assuming we trade him)?
     
  16. Aruba77

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    John Wall needs to play next year if he’s still on the team. We need to start looking like a competent team so we can attract 2023 free agents. We need a point guard; I’m assuming we’ll be a better team with Wall playing. The KPJ experiment is over. Next season needs to be the Wall/Nix show.
     
  17. clutchdabear

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    a big LOL to anyone who actually thinks kpj has even somewhat of a serious ankle injury. if he was hurt enough to the point that he will just stop moving after airballing a wide open set 3pt shot, then he also shouldn't be able to get low to the ground to pick up a loose ball, accelerate, and create all that torque on his ankle, only to end up bouncing the ball to himself and sky for a dunk, with no wincing after landing. anyone who has played on a sprained ankle knows it is never like this. no one just magically feels hurt on bad plays and feels completely fine on good ones.

    and even if he actually was hurt... you really don't want to show your opponents that you are limited physically. this ain't some rec league game or pick up... even middle school AAU teams will single you out if they know you look a step slow. if you really are playing injured, the last thing you want to do is show everyone else that you're gonna be the weak link... so you just end up playing through it as if nothing is bothering you, even if it hurts like hell. to anyone who thinks they actually played ball thinking you can act up like you're injured during the game and use it as an excuse to quit trying... you never have seriously played the sport, or you were coddled like some special cupcake by some **** coach for a last place team winning absolutely nothing.

    you've got nba players like kobe who will play through sprained ankles and broken fingers and not use it as some excuse for the entire game.... and then you've got kpj, who is really in a class of his own in terms of using an "injury" as some cop out to basically quit mid-game and leave all his teammates hanging.
     
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  19. sydmill

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    If I were Houston I would go to Porter and explain that the team has invested what it can in his development to this point with very few strings attached but that is about to change. The years of being indifferent about wins and losses ends next season and if he is not part of a movement to compete then he will be gone. I dont think it has to be a confrontational conversation just lay out what their vision is for the team and if he can't or doesnt want to be a part of that then they will facilitate his departure.
     
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    That's probably what some people in Cleveland thought too.
     
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