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The official KPJ as building block thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sydmill, Mar 2, 2022.

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KPJ part of your Rockets foundation?

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  1. 34to11

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    Ummm...
     
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  2. steddinotayto

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    glad I brighten your day a bit
     
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  3. HP3

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    Alright bro, lets not be disingenuous, it's not like has scoring on Porter directly one on one, for most of their points. Steph Curry could put a 40 piece on anyone.
     
  4. HP3

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    I also hate this "sixth man talk" like we are ready to box in a 21 year old.

    "HeS NaT a Pg"

    He's 21, calm your self. We are not a good team. Relax.
     
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  5. Reeko

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    I mean, u actually think he can become a legit PG despite all available evidence? The amount of guys that were just turned into adequate PG’s after entering the NBA is slim. If we were a good team, KPJr’s deficiencies would be even more glaring and exposed.

    He’s not a PG, he’s small for a forward, and Jalen Green has SG on lock, so where else is there for an inefficient scorer who can’t run the team?
     
  6. 34to11

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    What's disingenuous? He wrote about KPJ being a lockdown defender and specifically mentioned potentially giving guys like Curry problems.
    I posted a synopsis of their last encounter for perspective.

    Seemed perfectly fitting to me.
     
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  7. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    You're talking about one quarter of one game.
     
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    Why should Green have SG on lock but it's over for KPJ?

    If we were a good team Green's deficiencies would be even more glaring and exposed as well.

    I don't think he is the future at pg but I am not sure any of these guys are contender-level starters.
     
  9. Reeko

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    Because Green has shown massive potential as a rookie, is our #2 overall pick that we’re heavily invested in, and SG is his natural position?

    if u don’t think Jalen Green can be a starter on a contender in the future, then Idk what to tell u
     
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  10. jiggyfly

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    KPJ has shown massive potential as well even if you don't want to admit it.

    The fact that you think Green has shown that he can be a starter on a contender shows how biased you are but hey you do you.
     
  11. Reeko

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    lol, the fact that u think he hasn’t shows yours

    if Green was playing at KPJr’s level in year 3, the whole GARM and all of Red Nation would be calling him a massive bust
     
  12. vator

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    People defending Green (myself included) were saying he is only 19 years old and a ROOKIE. To give him a chance to get coached up and acclimated to the speed of the game. He’s been a good player since he turned 20 a month ago. :D

    Before I get to KPJ, I’m not reactionary posting. It has nothing to do with Jalen Green. I make observations based on what I see, not what I hope is going to happen. I’ve even said if Green didn’t look any better by this time next year I probably would start heavily critiquing him too, fair or not. I was super stoked about KPJ when we got him. Watched every G-League game and every Cleveland highlight I could get my hands on. By the end of the year I had concerns and I posted about them when people were predicting 20 points and 10 assists and saying he’d be a lottery pick in the last draft and a future all star. BJG. Before Jalen Green lol.

    KPJ is in his 3rd year, is 21 years old, and will be 22 shortly after the season ends in May. He knows what the NBA is all about. I want him to be successful as much as the next guy because I would prefer not wasting a draft pick on replacing him. We have soooo many needs in other places. KPJ solidifying the point guard spot would be ideal and great for the team as they look to build.

    BUT

    I have concerns. Nothing to do with him as a person or his talent. It has to do with his ability. Having the raw talent to do something doesn’t necessarily mean you have the ability to consistently do it. Sometimes I can hit a high note when I sing, but I can’t do it consistently enough to go on American Idol and win. I feel like the organization is asking him to do something nearly unprecedented. Name another player other than Harden that has done this. However If guys like Patrick Beverley and Derek Fisher can be considered point guards then so can KPJ because he’s much more talented, but that also means he needs to be less ball dominant than he has been for most of this season in order to make it work.
     
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  13. Reeko

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    Harden is really 1 of the very few examples

    even with guys like D-Fish, Lakers ran triangle offense so there was no need for a PG to be running endless PnR trying to initiate everything, and Bev was a PG in name only as Harden basically did all the playmaking

    KPJr looks better when he’s more focused on scoring, but he doesn’t even score efficiently

    teams could legit do hack-a-Porter in the playoffs with his current level of free throw shooting…How could our PG be on the floor in the 4th?
     
  14. vator

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    So true. Saying KPJ isn’t a starting point guard doesn’t mean you hate the guy. I’ve said repeatedly I think he can be an important part of the team…at another position.




    This man is taking on all KPJ slander. Props to him. I hope his faith and all those that believe in him as the point guard od the future is rewarded. We all win. I’ll never be that guy that can’t own up to an opinion that is proved to be incorrect. I’ve always believed that shows a lack of maturity and is a reflection of your character as a person.
     
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  15. MystikArkitect

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    They wouldn't be calling him a massive bust. He would be a massive bust. KPJ is significantly worse than Cade and Giddey and he's in his 3rd year.

    Some folk here hold on to this idea that KPJ and Green are "similar players" because they're both SGs. I think they want to believe that there's this parallel universe where we draft Mobley and KPJ just slides into the Green role and the Rockets win like 45 games. KPJ just isn't very good. If he ever gets to even Dennis Schroeder level of player I'd be shocked.
     
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    Overall, it's been underwhelming year KPJ in my opinion. Yes, he's still young but the hope was this would be his breakout year. This being his 3rd year, I thought this is the year he either takes the first step to superstardom or achieves minor improvements on his way to a solid but unspectacular NBA career. I still think he can be a productive NBA player but his ceiling doesn't seem as high as it once was viewed
     
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  17. HP3

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    Enough said.
     
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    He's 21 years old man. I dont care how many years in the league you have man. He's not a bad passer. He's our best passer I think. He has games where he really does figure it out. It's whatever man you're right, he's an inefficient scorer, but I feel like that will take time.
     
  19. Joe Willie

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    I think he might be better for the team at SF.
     
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  20. vator

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    How long is a fair amount of time then? I’m asking everybody who keeps saying give him more time. Ok so 1 season isn’t enough. That’s fair. How long? I’ve seen the same things I saw last year that I posted about way back then. Nothing has changed.

    Also would you pass on selecting Jaden Ivey because of Kevin Porter Jr?
     
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