1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

The official KPJ as building block thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by sydmill, Mar 2, 2022.

?

KPJ part of your Rockets foundation?

  1. Yes

    36.5%
  2. No

    63.5%
  1. sydmill

    sydmill Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2002
    Messages:
    1,875
    Likes Received:
    1,735
    Thread title says it all.

    KPJ: 6'4'', 212 lbs with a 6'9'' wingspan 21 year old, 3 year "veteran" who has logged minutes at the 1, 2 & 3 at different times in his NBA career. This season (his first designated as a PG) he has averaged 14 points, 4 rebounds, 6 assists and 1 steal along with 3 turnovers and 3 fouls per game on 40/38/60 splits. Of note, in the 20 games since his suspension his shooting splits have been 43/43/58.
     
    Corrosion likes this.
  2. BigggReddd

    BigggReddd Member

    Joined:
    Sep 21, 2012
    Messages:
    4,641
    Likes Received:
    5,218
    dude put up 50 in Jrue's face and people are still wondering if we should keep him around because he bickers with Wood lol
     
    Space City, DeBeards, D-rock and 6 others like this.
  3. Mathloom

    Mathloom Consumption is a waste of time.
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    15,610
    Likes Received:
    12,437
    I wouldn’t call him a franchise player type, but if he continues to play good defense and can hit open 3’s then along with his playmaking he can very realistically develop into a 3rd best player on a title team worth $20-25m.
     
    burlesk and glynch like this.
  4. xaos

    xaos Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2015
    Messages:
    4,701
    Likes Received:
    11,957
    Only if he changes his style of play to initiate the offense earlier and stop the predictable 2 man game. He had a stretch of about 4 or 5 games where he did and it was a huge difference for me
     
  5. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Easter Egg Hunter - Tell me why? نحن عائلة

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    70,122
    Likes Received:
    28,801
  6. DatRocketFan

    DatRocketFan Member

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2015
    Messages:
    7,244
    Likes Received:
    9,766
    He's more of a building block than wood is thats for sure.
     
  7. HorryForThree

    HorryForThree Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2001
    Messages:
    2,888
    Likes Received:
    3,773
    KPJ is a special talent at times. But his natural position is not PG. He is effective at it for stretches, but he doesn't do the basics well. He's the type of player who should bring the ball up on occasion, mostly to initiate his own offense, but otherwise should be a SF/SG that can focus on scoring and less on ball distribution or managing the offense.
     
  8. vator

    vator Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    6,474
    Likes Received:
    13,595
    I don’t know how to vote. Depends on what position you’re trying to sell me on. He’s talented and is capable of impacting the game in multiple ways when he’s got his mind right. I am not a KPJ hater. I see a gifted creator and passer for a wing player.

    In simplistic terms, he clearly has above average skills in those areas for a wing, but merely average ability in those areas compared to other starting point guards. I think he’s being played out of position and would benefit from a switch to his more natural role where he would still be able to put all his skills on display while shouldering less burden and responsibility.

    Instead of worrying about setting the table, he can just eat from it.
     
    #8 vator, Mar 3, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2022
  9. Zen Tabak

    Zen Tabak Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2012
    Messages:
    1,085
    Likes Received:
    1,974
    Everything he is capable of doing well in stretches, I assume he will be able to do more consistently with more experience
     
    KingSamJack and HP3 like this.
  10. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    19,099
    Likes Received:
    25,564
    If he puts it together, he can be the best player on this team. A franchise player...but I dont know if he can meet that potential. Green can be that guy as well. I think Porter has a higher ceiling but Jalen has a higher floor.
     
  11. DaDakota

    DaDakota Never Trump
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 1999
    Messages:
    116,491
    Likes Received:
    24,512
    It depends - he is probably our most talented natural basketball player - with a killer attitude.

    But, we all know he has to grow up and mature some.

    He hasn't even been a PG one year yet, and is averaging a good Assist to turnover ratio and is getting better and better....12 assists tonight.

    SO, for now, he is a core piece, unless something better comes along and that goes for EVERYONE on the roster.

    DD
     
  12. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    17,383
    Likes Received:
    9,595
    No, but maybe. It's less about his basketball skills and more about the other stuff that has gotten him kicked out of USC and Cavs, that also might be his downfall here. He literally left at halftime after an argument with a Rockets' coach.

    We pick up his team option for next year and keep an eye on it.
     
  13. Swapshop

    Swapshop Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2016
    Messages:
    3,372
    Likes Received:
    3,906
    What does that even mean? Wood should be gone at the end the season. It is a shame he didn't get traded at the break. I would rather bring back Ty Lawson than have Wood here.
     
    Dacamel likes this.
  14. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Easter Egg Hunter - Tell me why? نحن عائلة

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    70,122
    Likes Received:
    28,801
    Problem is he is 'only' 6'4 for a wing, that is not great after already having a 6'4 skinny two guard.

    You are surely at a disadvantage night in night out against the better teams of the league.
     
    jcmoon likes this.
  15. groovemachine

    groovemachine Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    1,985
    Likes Received:
    2,719
    His skill set seems to be suited for a 6th man, so I wouldn’t characterize him as a building block.
     
  16. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    57,437
    Likes Received:
    19,825
    That's why he's best at PG. His size is beneficial at that position.... and he's already pretty good at running the point.

    There's simply no reason to think KPJ isn't the long term solution at PG.
     
  17. flamingdts

    flamingdts Member

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2008
    Messages:
    11,194
    Likes Received:
    3,276
    His fit with Green is questionable, the Rockets will need to make a decision at some point between the two if it continues.

    This game was a glaring example of this, KPJ being the PG needed to facilitate the offense to ensure Green gets the ball when he was hot, but there are very long stretches spanning 5-6 consecutive offensive possessions where Green literally does not even touch the ball.
     
    LongTimeFan and groovemachine like this.
  18. groovemachine

    groovemachine Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2006
    Messages:
    1,985
    Likes Received:
    2,719
    Agreed, KPJ/JC seem suited to run as backup guards. We don’t yet have a starting point to pair with Green. Ivey might be that guy if we draft in the 3-5 range this year.
     
    BonziWellsGOAT and jcmoon like this.
  19. LikeMike

    LikeMike Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2007
    Messages:
    1,903
    Likes Received:
    775
    With the Rockets I think his role will be 6th man that gets close to starter minutes. The Ginobili role. Green will be the SG, KPJ isn’t a natural PG and is too small for a SF - but he can be valuable as a scoring spark off the bench.

    He could be the starting SG on a championship caliber team, but he would probably be the 4th best player on that team. He is a nice player but I don’t think he can be a foundational player.
     
  20. fattz

    fattz Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2009
    Messages:
    4,401
    Likes Received:
    3,816
    A tire is a building block for a trailer; and there are a lot of very nice trailers, too. The point is what’s the end goal? Is he championship level point guard? Paul, Patton and Stockton are/where but it didn’t make them champions. Kenny Smith has rings as the starting point guard on a back to back championship team. So does Derek Fisher, Ron Harper and Steve Kerr. The point is what other player are we playing next to him?

    Is he worth keeping? YES and NO. Sure but at the right price on a non-guaranteed deal (because of his behaviors in the past) VS maxed out on a 5 year fully guaranteed deal, then no.
     
    D-rock, Y2JT, theDude and 1 other person like this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now