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The official James Harden is not a legitimate #1 option thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by hikanoo49, Jan 19, 2013.

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  1. Jedster

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    I don't know Hikanoo at all, but I find his threads interesting.
    I may not agree with the titles, but he does suck me in to make comments and to vote.

    Are we supposed to be like a bunch of old farts in the city council or town hall, in that we only make threads designed to be consensus and non controversial?
     
    #181 Jedster, Jan 20, 2013
  2. hikanoo49

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    Hi Superstar,

    I dont know how you can say I am biased as I have been a Rockets fan since 84. Most of my past posts were merely questions

    I never said he was a chucker. Merely, he is not in my mind a legitimate #1 option. If you wish to debate about it we can, but no point in making random allegations of me being biased based on my old posts of simply asking questions. Facts are:

    1. FTs arent everything (look at Maggettes stats which I posted)

    2. I think the forum agrees Harden is not a top tier defender

    3. As of recently, his "efficiency" has been horrible. 15 for 60 and he has set some recrods (negative ones) which another member pointed out.

    Again, I am not saying Harden sucks and I actually like the guy. I think he can be a good #2 or a strong #3 on a championship team. But as of now, he does not seem to be a legite #1 to me as of now.

     
    #182 hikanoo49, Jan 20, 2013
  3. SuperStar

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    I guess you like threads like "Lin is a joke" since it's not designed to be consensus and non controversial.
     
    #183 SuperStar, Jan 20, 2013
  4. SuperStar

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    Curious, what's your legitimate #1 option list?
     
    #184 SuperStar, Jan 20, 2013
  5. <3myrockets

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    I guess first season as a #1 option with a completely revamped young rockets team bears no weight in anything :/
     
    #185 <3myrockets, Jan 20, 2013
  6. AroundTheWorld

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    Answer the question already:

    Who, in your mind, is "a legitimate #1 option" in the league?
     
    #186 AroundTheWorld, Jan 20, 2013
  7. rolyat93

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    Harden is 23, you hater.
     
    #187 rolyat93, Jan 20, 2013
  8. hikanoo49

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    Here is my list. I will put the 10 no brainers in my mind first. Keep in mind a couple things:

    a. I am speaking purely of present tense so age does not matter (ex. Anthony Davis has the potential in 3 years but not now). I am basing this completely on their current ability.

    b. I am including impact of the entire team and things that help a team win (ex. offense AND defense, leadership, ability to make team mates better etc.).

    c. Some of these guys stats may not be as great as Harden BUT the point is that they were not given a "fire at will" go ahead so stats are only part of my evaluation.

    So here goes:

    1. Lebron

    2. Durant

    3. Chris Paul

    4. Dwight Howard (impacts both ends)

    5. Duncan (still amazing #s on both offense and defense, his post play opens up the floor for everyone else)

    6. Bosh (although stats low being on superfriend team, he showed in Toronto he could be a good #1)

    7. Rondo (not the guy to take last shot but can be the best player on team with all the things he can do to help a team win)

    8. D Rose (coming back soon)

    9. Nowitski (recovering from injury)

    10. Carmelo (this year, he is playing like one)




     
    #188 hikanoo49, Jan 20, 2013
  9. AroundTheWorld

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    Thanks.

    So you are saying that 2/3 of NBA teams do not have a #1 option?
     
    #189 AroundTheWorld, Jan 20, 2013
  10. hikanoo49

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    In my 2nd sentence, I said "I will put the 10 no brainers in my mind first", other ones will be coming


     
    #190 hikanoo49, Jan 20, 2013
  11. SuperStar

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    Isn't "number one option" only taking scoring into account and not defense? I don't think anyone would say Rondo is a number 1 option.
     
    #191 SuperStar, Jan 20, 2013
  12. teebone21

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    smart man. Hardn needs to grow just like the rest of our young players. On day he will earn the "superstar" tag but as of now his offensive numbers are inflated by freethrows due to him forcing shots in traffic . Last couple of games teams are learning to jump straight up when defending him to avoid foul calls and its shutting him down.
     
    #192 teebone21, Jan 20, 2013
  13. SuperStar

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    Also I think there's a tier rather than who's legit or not legit. Having the right teammates help a lot like in Dirk's case.

    Tier 1

    Durant
    Lebron

    Tier 2
    Howard
    Cp3
    etc

    etc
     
    #193 SuperStar, Jan 20, 2013
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    I add melo to Tier 1, once that guy gets going no one can stop him. Kobe the same way. Melo, durant, lebron, and kobe are tops in league. CP3 is a scorer and faciliator but i would place him in Tier 1 on certain nights but he doesnt have to be the main option to score with his talented team. Harden will get Tier 3 from me seeing as how his offensive moves really come down to eurosteps and 3 pointers. I posted a rookied Dwade video of the things whe was able to do with a subpar heat team, I believe if harden was to expand his offensive moves to more than isolations, he would be alot more effective when scoring.
     
    #194 teebone21, Jan 20, 2013
  15. daspydamayn

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    yes yes we all know that Lin is the real number 1 option
     
    #195 daspydamayn, Jan 20, 2013
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    [​IMG]

    just for fun
     
    #196 teebone21, Jan 20, 2013
  17. SuperStar

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    Hesitant to add a guy to tier 1 that only gotten out of the first round once? He has a lot to prove still.
     
    #197 SuperStar, Jan 20, 2013
  18. Mr2Hos

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    1 and 2 are great- yes
    3- not so much, clippers are going to the wcf, he is a good #2 option
    4- yes
    5- before- yes, for the past few years- no
    6- hell nah
    7- conditional yes if you surround him with shooters
    8- yes
    9- No
    10- yes
    Based on this year, I would take Harden over 5,6,7,8, and 9
     
    #198 Mr2Hos, Jan 20, 2013
  19. Mr2Hos

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    ^^^meant clippers are not going to the wcf
     
    #199 Mr2Hos, Jan 20, 2013
  20. teebone21

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    teams make it out of playoffs not just one player. People need to realize this one day lol. Melo is the top MVP canidate right now and just watching him play makes me mad that denver turned down our offer to get him.
     
    #200 teebone21, Jan 20, 2013
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