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The [Official] Daniel Theis DNPCD Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Swapshop, Nov 30, 2021.

  1. hakeem94

    hakeem94 Member

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    nice prediction...
    Hitler must have good connections in heaven or something cause I assume hed be the biggest thesis fan and intervene on behalf of his homey and he must be very happy for Daniel even if residing in hell
     
  2. DeBeards

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    the whole team battled against a stiff 'headwind' in the first quarter, just dunt know why,
    they trailed, looked pretty sloppy, esp wood (in comparison with himself last game), so, yeah, the 9 minutes of Wood just not pretty, simply correlating with the whole team performances.

    no doubt Theis played smart in this game,
    he stood up tall and contributed when we needed him to impact...actually he ain't that bad, it's only about how our coach makes use of his strengths, even let him come off the bench to impact would have been better than exposing his weaknesses in the starting lineup, then why on earth Silas gotta start him and get him exposed awkwardly there for 15 consecutive games?

    I believe it's Stone's call, in past one month the ball was always at Stone feet.
    you once said in another post 'we fans dun't know what happened in their practice'...after this 4 game W streak, now i would rather reword that as 'we dun't know what kinda agreement Silas had reached with Stone', maybe it's simply because Stone promised Theis to start, so once team touched bottom with a 1-15 record, Silas found Stone to grab his word for tweaking the starting lineup, esp DNP Theis (also nwaba) ...


    ---------------------below are small talk
    ok, a/m is my wild guess...
    but even we humans could try all we can find out a seemingly logical explanation for ''starting two bigs' in the 15 games, below still await our humans to decipher one day:
    1) why keeping our snipers high on the shelves (either sending to G league or getting benched), while all we humans understand the importance of spacing;
    2) why in some games limiting Sengod to merely 5-10min (dun't tell me that's bc his foul troubles);
    3) why in some games, even a whole 4th quarter changing into garbage time, kids still see zero PT;
     
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  3. hakeem94

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  4. ApacheWarrior

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    Ah my friend.....love you deeply my brother.

    Yes we don't know what has gone on behind the scenes past, present or future.

    We don't know what Theis was promised. It's all "pending change" status as a free agent.

    If you have a plumbing problem.....do you call an accountant? No call a plumber.
    Theis somewhat protects the rim/interior defense and serves as a Roll Man
    in Pick-n-Roll. Theis served in that role sufficiently. As a starter for a playoff
    team in Boston. Dude was brought in for that main purpose....Roll Man.
    But the dude can't do that if 5 defenders are clogging the paint.
    I will let you look up the 3P% of:
    Porter
    Green
    Tate
    Wood
    Theis
    in the first 17 games. Not much need to defend our 3-pt shooters. Why
    wouldn't you clog the paint as a defense?

    Theis scored well as Roll Man with Boston. Well this season with no quote unquote
    spacing provided by Houston shooters. Now with Garrison and Brooks each shooting
    about 46% from 3 in the last 5 games...MAY WE INTRODUCE YOU TO SPACING MR. THEIS

    But that's not to say Green, Porter, Tate may have turned it around themselves.
    Many a times I've seen the Rockets cold from 3 to start the first month
    or so and then turn it around.

    If you change everything at the slightest disturbance....you may be
    changing everything every 5 seconds. Never giving things time to marinate.

    I've always said it takes new players with new coach usually a month to start
    getting things.

    P.S. I'm at work. I'm sure I didn't answer everything....will digest your posting later.
    Try to give a better comment.

    Edited: I said last week you don't want to play Wood at he 5. Will get hurt. Best ability is availability.
    Wood wasn't doing his job good enough and providing spacing for Theis in our PnR in
    the first 17 games. Plumber (Theis) vs Accountant (Wood)
     
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  5. kubli9

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    If he ever has a good game, the headline on the front page of Clutchfans should be "THESIS STATEMENT" :D
     
  6. D-rock

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    15 straight losses was more than enough time to marinate that starting 5.

    For whatever reason it was straight cheeks.

    4 game winning streak coincided with change of 2 big lineup.

    Keep doing what works.

    Until it doesn't.
     
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    He was very good I agree, but awesome is slight over exaggeration.
     
  8. J.R.

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    Daniel Theis is a true professional and I hope he retires a Rocket(s Legend™).



    On Wednesday, when Wood limped off with a sprained right ankle and Sengun initially struggled, Theis got the call, starting the second half and then leading the defensive effort down the stretch to help secure the Rockets fourth-consecutive win, a 114-100 rally over the Thunder.

    In Oklahoma City, where he had first been removed from the starting lineup and rotation on Nov. 17, he was back in it, knocking down the free throw to help clinch the win.

    “That’s the definition of a pro,” Silas said. “You don’t play. Not real happy about it but you stay ready. When your number is called, you perform and you produce. He was one of the main reasons we won. Everybody can learn from that. We talk a lot about leadership and what guys say but it’s much more about what guys do.”

    The Rockets did not bring in Theis as a free agent in a sign-and-trade deal because of how they thought he would handle it if benched. But they did choose the veterans they would keep around their young prospects with the idea that they would be role models.

    “Just staying ready,” Theis said. “Obviously, I’m not happy with the way I got back to the court. Christian hurt his ankle. Not the way I wanted to come back to the court.

    “I can’t control what coach has in mind for the rotation and stuff. I can control me, being professional, staying ready. Whenever my number is called, I’m there for the team.”

    “I would lie if I would say it was not hard,” Theis said. “I wasn’t happy about it. At the same time, I can’t just put my head down and have a don’t (care) mentality. That’s not the right way, especially being a role model for all the young guys.

    “I’m still there on the bench, help everybody out, talk to everybody. I want to win games whether I play or not.”

    “I said it from the first, my job is to be a defensive anchor,” Theis said. “I take pride on defense. I don’t care about how many shots I take, points, whatever. When we got stops (Wednesday,) we came back from down 15.”

    He did tell Jae’Sean Tate in the first time out that the Rockets would need Tate’s energy “to pick everybody up.” And he did add the free throw for a four-point lead with 15.5 seconds left, a moment considering everything since the previous game in Oklahoma City felt especially good.

    “Yeah, it did,” Theis said before heading out with a laugh.
     
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  9. DeBeards

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    Very interesting metaphor…hmmmmmmm

    Take your time bruh! (ive got all i expected from you, awesome)

    (btw, i begin pretty agreeing with you this time - "If you change everything at the slightest disturbance....you may be changing everything every 5 seconds…", and would love to share below video with ya, in which video roosh got similar opinion on coach change issue, simple but thoughtful and logical.
    Anyway…whenever i rant 'fire coach' or 'fire da mf', that simply equals to say: i hate we lose this way, someone should do something real quick'. Different ppl got different ways to express their angor, that's it, not knee jerk, instead, all about a reaction to / protection for deep dignity n great glory)

     
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  10. ApacheWarrior

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    Well you understand on the metaphor. Don't get me wrong, the accountant
    can probably do plumbing and the plumber can do some accounting.

    But Wood was terrible at setting screens last year in my opinion; but he has
    gone from in the 36.9 NBA percentile to now the 57.9 after a few games without
    Theis. I'm not saying Wood is not better at Roll Man than Theis. I am saying
    that Theis is more durable to play the Roll Man over a longer stretch called
    the marathon 82 game season. I've always been an advocate for going Small
    during the playoffs if you have that versatile Small Ball center. That's when
    all the marbles are up for grabs.....the rewards are greater. Worth the risk.

    I posted the other day (wrote before last game vs OKC)

    [Sengun]
    *Roll Man is 27.4 in NBA percentile
    (kinda a big thing in the Silas offensive staple)
    *Cutter is 13.3 in NBA percentile
    (kinda a big thing in the Silas offensive staple)
    Transition is 2.7 in NBA percentile
    (kinda a big thing in the Silas plan....Mavs were high octane in PACE)
    ____________
    *Isolations 73.4 in NBA percentile
    (Iso not so big in the Silas-Mavs picture....& that's with Doncic)
    *Post Ups 43.2 in NBA percentile
    (Post Ups not so big in the Silas-Mavs picture.....& that's with Doncic)
    *Put Backs 85.2 in NBA percentile
    (Good for Silas team)

    There is some rhyme and reason behind some of the things Silas does.
    Not all things are always as they appear. This is what I've meant about
    combining the best of Theis in Sengun. Right now Theis does more of
    what Silas stresses.

    In time Sengun will improve. He is only 19.

    People need to make a decision on teaching or going for wins.

    Teaching is trading off Wood, House, Eric Gordon, Wall, Nwaba.
    Let Porter/Green remain as starters and work thru difficulties.

    Going for wins might mean keeping Wood, Eric Gordon and Nwaba.
    May come down to benching Jalen Green for a deadeye shooter
    in Brooks or Mathews. I read where Jalen Green is lifting
    weights during the season. That would explain the poor
    consistency from 3. But I would rather Green get bigger now
    than waiting for the summer. The new found spacing provided
    by Brooks and Matthews works well for Green whether he starts
    or comes off the bench.

    It's not a knock on Green. Two teachers can be excellent at teaching
    a subject individually.....but ask those two teachers to instruct a class
    simultaneously and they may find it difficult. Talking over each other,
    seeing things differently, off on timing, different styles. They can
    coordinate and control the classroom by controlling the students.
    Two facilitators on the court can do that as well, but the opposition
    doesn't make things easy for the facilitators. The defense doesn't
    sit pretty and quiet and let Porter/Green do whatever they want.
    Just the opposite....they interrupt in mid sentence every chance
    they get.

    Just my opinion, but I think Porter and Green need to learn their
    subject matter to a greater extent....before pairing them together.
    Again, just my opinion.
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    On another small talk note.

    Silas: might be hood winked at times. Sometimes players may show some promise
    and fool the coach. I use to tell people Jordan Hill would play one good
    game out of every ten games while a Rocket. House playing great during
    scrimmages may have Silas fooled. Silas may be waiting for House to
    start getting it....and did during that Chicago game; but then turns into
    a pumpkin every other game. Or stretches of multiple games.

    Then again, Tilman, Patrick and/or Stone may be mandating some
    ongoing things. I'm not privileged to know. Often things are out of
    my hands. I've learned to accept those things I can't change. I've
    asked for Brooks and then Mathews to get more playing time.
    Then they did. Eventually Kenyon Martin jr will as well.
    Silas has been a little slower in rotation changes than I would
    like. But he has his thumb on the pulse of the team.
    He can see who is feeling it in shoot around. Sit others
    for liking a tweet saying fire Silas. In Hoosiers coach
    Norman Dale once played with 4 men on the court. LoL.

    Sorry ranted too long.
     
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  11. DeBeards

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    thanks for your sharing.
    hope while the first quarter of 2021-2022 season past, this team could gel well bit by bit, and we can see more and more better executed games,
    if things goes smoothly we may review on the stats to make sure Silas does have an unique bball philosophy in place, or players does trust in him and sticks to his game plan.

    speaking of Jalen, there are many things to say, firstly i dun't think we can ignore one tiny topic about G-league, i would like start from this,
    like others, most recently i've begun to make doubt about the intensity of G-league games, its mechanism and role to nba, of which G-league should be deemed as a 'enhancing program' to help nba teams to have their second unit young'uns tested, enhancing different facets of their games a little bit in certain ways through relatively low-level but quality combats, unfortunately that's not the case, as we can see our freshmen who having been sent to G-league can easily contribute 20-30pt/game is ridiculous, that force us to have second thought on those pre-draft hype as to Jalen...

    but, wait, dun't get me wrong, imitating the topic does not mean im jumping the jalen ship, that only brings up my pov - even though G-league a shitty place for learning bball basics, even Jalen being overhyped, nobody (even hiding / surfacing jalen haters) could neglect Jalen's talent and potential, the only uncertainties as to him are how long, in what way, will a raw gem turn into a fine cut one.

    in what way to develop Jalen? off the bench? hell no!
    in Bulls game (Bulls, definitely not a bad team), lineup being changed, KPj injured, Jalen as a PG chipped in 11pt and adding 2 dimes in 11min, when spacing is there, he can maneuver, fit in pretty well.
    as long as we do not turn a blind-eye on this kid's improvement ever since him step into nba and his huge potential, then we on the same page to jump back onto your 'two facilitators' notion, im a 'you can't teach your kid driving by arranging to the back seat' believer -
    as a good tutor, you should have a big heart, show your readiness and show your patience to allow your kid screw things up from time to time, no matter it's teaching driving or developing young bball prospects, makes no difference.

    Scoot (2+yr in nba, 1+yr bench and in G-leargue) and Jalen, the former is a WIP point guard, and the latter is a RAW shooting guard, both far from perfection as we know, then under the circumstances of tanking and rebuilding, developing (young) players as top priority in our coming 2-5yr to go, why not just let them start to grind?
    if both developed well, both can handled the ball pretty good from time to time, then fine! let them compete, that's cool for both sides (individual and the team), at least leave our front office a backup plan or a way out to deal the one who leave behind in the competition.
    two core processors gonna fvck things up? i dun't think so, if they can coexist, bravo!


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    then either Silas aint a good coach, or they are to do all they can to put dhouse on the sales block..
     
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    i'm prejudiced and highly regret clicking
     
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    I noted when the Rockets were about to draft Jalen. He played in G-league
    but it wasn't the Rockets affiliate. The affiliate team usually play the style
    of their NBA team. Ignite are separate from an NBA team. Brian Shaw
    may have featured Isolations with 3-point shooters surrounding the
    facilitators.

    Jalen Green was not with the Vipers running the Silas scheme. He would be further
    along imo. But who knew Jarrett Jack, Bobby Brown and Kuminga would supply
    better 3-point protection (spacing) than Wood, Tate, Porter. Again, Theis was
    not brought in to light up the scoreboard from 3. He was brought in to set
    screens everywhere. Mavs had WCS, Marjanovic, and Powell to an
    extent for that role. Wood was shooting 30% from 3 before the move
    of Theis to the bench. Unfortunately for Theis he drew the short straw
    and got booted off the island. Wood to the 5 for greater PACE.

    I don't envy Silas as he has some tough decisions to make coming up.
    Minutes for Wall? Where if everyone is healthy?

    Green/Porter might work together....but hasn't. Works with spacing
    provided by Mathews/Brooks, but the league doesn't let us play 7
    players at one time. For every action there is a reaction. Playing
    both Porter/Green forces more of Mathews/Brooks to the bench.

    Snipa Brothers of Brooks/Mathews shows less need for Eric Gordon/House.
    In an ideal world we trade Wall/Gordon/House right now.......but this is not an ideal
    world and we have to build up trade value.

    Unfortunately most teams wait as long as they can to make deals.
    Even if a team is struggling, they want the Rockets to pay as much
    of the salaries of Wall and Eric Gordon. Silas has a tough job sorting
    out who gets minutes until February. Hopefully Stone just takes what
    he can get and we move on.

    We all knew Silas was a rookie coach making peanuts when we hired him.
    People shouldn't act confused when he makes mistakes. Not talking about
    you my friend. I'm mainly talking of others. Ya get what ya pay for.
     
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    @DeBeards

    Let's not be fooled by moving Tate and his 26% (3P%) to power forward
    and Wood and his *34% (3P%) to Center as the real reason there is
    newly found spacing.

    It's Brooks and Get'r Done Mathews with their 45% (3P%) of last 5 games,
    that is creating this new success. Take them out and Wood/Tate/Porter/Green
    have no room to operate again.
    -------
    *Theis was shooting 33% (3P%) his last 9 games prior to this
    last game vs the Thunder.
     
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    Hey, I remember having seen this movie twice before.
    1- Larry Brown forbidding Memo "Money" Okur to go outside the paint when his biggest contribution was the 3-pt.er.
    2- Rick Adelman trying to turn Hedo Turkoglu into a #4. Hedo was muscle bound and he lost most of his versatility for 2 years.

    Let's wait and see how Silas tries to mess up Sengun's talents.

    [​IMG]

    If you have valuable material, you don't waste them.
    You don't crack a Faberge egg to make an omelette because that's all you can manage in the kitchen.
    I hope Sengun gets traded before Silas takes him beyond the point of no return.
     
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    Just find some interesting tweet, share w/ ya as reference to our previous small talk…i fancy rumors as much as ya love stats lol…handshakes



     
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    How much would it suck as a player to have a lot of reporters and fans openly speculating what bonehead management person forced a coach to play you? LOL.
     
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    Silas and Stone followed this guide really well.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Theis is a valuable vet rotation player for a contender.

    But I'd rather play Garuba for any Theis minutes.

    Both similar sized and same role.

    But Garuba is longer, faster, better passer, better rebounder, better switch defender, better rim protector, better transition defense, better PnR defender, better cutter, more disruptive, better finisher in paint and believe it or not, better 3ball efficiency.

    Theis is only better defensive communicator and understanding rotations better.

    Maybe sets harder screens too. Maybe.

    In either case, Theis is what he is at 30.

    Garuba is potentially a generational talent on defense.
     
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