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The Official C-Wood as building block thread

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ashleyem, Mar 20, 2022.

  1. ashleyem

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    Objectively, Wood is a better shooter, better defender on the perimeter, better rebounder, better finisher, better score, and a legit lob threat unlike Sengun but somehow the entire Clutchfans has an illusion that Sengun is miles ahead of Wood.
     
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  2. FANfrom86toNow

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    This is very true. I do realize the optimism though because he is only 19 and has some amazing skills and potential. But to become the starting center in this league, he has to learn to stay out of foul trouble and finish developing a legit 3pt shot. Let's see what Clutchfans has to say if we draft a top pick center in the draft this year though. I don't think Sengun fits as a PF like Wood can. The board would be really torn if we get the 1st or 2nd pick and draft a center who would definitely start and keep Sengun coming off the bench. Then they couldn't blame Wood anymore, although some would find a way to do so, or act as if we trade Wood that Sengun would start at PF, although I doubt he would start there either. He is a center. Don't get me wrong though, I love Sengun as a young player.
     
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    I wouldn't give him a max contract but I would try to extend him a few years at 15 million. His defensive struggles are overrated - he's playing the wrong position. He's not thick enough to play the 5 and needs to be moved to the 4.

    If he would agree to play the 4, and take an extension to show that he can play at a consistent high level - I'd do it.
     
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  4. Salvy

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    Wood as a building block? Lol, Hell 2 Da Naw....
     
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    If everything else was the same and Harden was still here instead of KPJ, Wood would probably be averaging 25 pts and 11 rebounds a game due to Harden's gravity alone. Yes we aren't getting a Harden type player anytime soon, but I think some people just don't realize how unique of a player he is. And regardless of defense elsewhere, if you can have a player giving you 25 points and 11 rebounds a game at $15 mil a year, you find the other players to cover up his weaknesses because that's easy to do than to find another player to replace that. Only 3 players in the league right now can beat that production.
     
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  6. FANfrom86toNow

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    And btw, the only big men in the league that shoot a better 3 pt percentage than Wood is Towns and Portis....that's it! That can't be underrated so much as it is on this board.
     
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  7. Salvy

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    Sounds like an incredible opportunity to be mediocre for years until a super team signs him in free agency for a big contract as the third option.... Wood can score, no one is denying that. He is just simply not what The Rockets need right now. The fit is absolutely not there, you can't put players around him because The Rockets are rebuilding... There just isn't any value outside of Green and Sengun to trade for Wood's building block. With that said The Rockets are no way in hell trading either of those two for a hail marry to even make the playoffs.

    The Rockets right now are looking to draft those building blocks, develop them and hopefully the timing works out and these guys naturally become contenders while possibly attracting a big free agent signing in the future.

    There is absolutely no reason to destroy what they have painfully done so far. Wood is just not a building block, not here.... Not anywhere. He is a potential 3rd option on a contending team with somewhat of a window to win a chip.
     
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    Why doesn't he fit our plan? Right now we are still terrible with him, so having him around apparently doesn't stop us from getting a good draft pick.

    I have a hard time believing teams would actually give up value for Wood who only has one year remaining on his contract. Instead of dealing him for some meaningless mid first round pick, why not keep him around for a reasonable price? Even you confess that he can be a solid contributor on a contending team. I think if we fire Silas and bring in someone who is actually capable of utilizing his players, a lot of our players will suddenly look much better.
     
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    Tell me you don't watch the games. Woods inability/unwillingness to do absolutely anything if he's not shooting the ball kills this offense. Never setting screens, wandering aimlessly in the paint clogging it with no real awareness or intention of doing anything useful. Refusal to box out or make a simple pass. The list goes on and that's just on offense. Wood is the absolute definition of empty stats. The fact that you just told me more points wins = all points are created equal is the most simplistic take that I've ever heard. It's completely divorced from reality. Wood leaves more points on the floor and leads to more points by the opposing team than he ever thought about scoring
     
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    that's the thing, he doesn't want to resign at a reasonable price. obviously at this point, we'd do it. He's probably worth an eric gordon contract at this point, so if we can get that in restricted free agency we'd have to do it to keep him as an asset. i don't think he's worth even 20 million, but he has increased his value to about 18. you just don't want to lose him for nothing, but you still want a contract that's easy to trade.
     
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    C-Wood is just putting on a show for GMs around the NBA. I'm hoping we get a good return for him like Caserio did with that player now in Cleveland.
     
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    none of the top 5 picks are centers. Sengun is our center. His post defense is way underrated by this board and he will be packing on the muscle this off-season. I say draft Ivey and move kpj to sf. Jalen, Ivey, KPJ, Wood, Sengun would be great offensively and Wood and KPJ become your weak side defenders.
     
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    If Clutchfans can get together, and pay the kings cash considerations to make AshleyEM a GM somewhere that only trades with the Rockets, we might finally win a championship.
     
  15. YOLO

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    Sengun is 19 and a project. Wood is who he is and 26. The comparison doesn't coincide at all.
     
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    This is exactly what I was saying in a previous post. He is not just good, he is elite offensively once you get that FT % fixed, which isn't too hard to fix over the summer with the right help.
     
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    I'll never understand the argument that, "Wood really would be best as a #3 option on a contending team." So... you're admitting Wood could be a part of a big 3? The fact is that we can't tank forever. Next year, we need to start showing major improvements because our picks start going to OKC in 2024 and you can't just expect to make a big jump the season before that draft if you tank until that point.

    In short, I believe that Wood can be one of the three go-to players on a very good team. I also think either Green or Sengun will breakout as another franchise player (maybe both). And, barring a trade, we'll have a couple good picks in the upcoming draft. That's a great foundation, and for as many people that dislike Wood, trading him without receiving an equal or superior player back will make us a worse team. Period.

    Now, I'm not anti-trade with respect to Wood, I just think that any trade must make our team better. You simply will not convince me that draft capital should be the major component of such a trade when (1) we already have a ton of capital going forward, and (2) people are already complaining about how we can't find minutes for the four rookies we drafted last year.
     
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  18. FANfrom86toNow

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    Wood is not a mediocre offensive player. He only appears to be one because his FT % is so low, which can be fixed. It's funny that you guys always seem to say that "until a contender signs him", but don't think he is worth anything to the Rockets. Or that we can trade him for some assets, but consider him to be a scrub that we all hate but that some dumb GM will give us some great return for.

    Saying he is not what we need right now or that the fit is absolutely not there and that you can't put players around him because the Rockets are rebuilding, are just platitudes without any real consideration for how unique of a player he is. And Green, Sengun and whomever we draft this year should all be better than him in 3 years according to most of you, so he would be the 3rd or 4th best option at that time even on this team.

    Wood hasn't destroyed anything the Rockets are trying to build. Fortunately this is one of the times where the front office doesn't seem to agree with the mass Clutchfans contingency and they have said on many occasions that they see Wood's future with this team. Sengun should be playing over 30 minutes a game at center with Woods playing the same at PF. That isn't Wood's decision or fault, that is a coaching and organizational decision.
     
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    Using the barometer of the FO as a means of saying its their way or its incorrect is nonsense. This FO and ownership has already proven to be terrible on so many levels

    the logic of FO doesn't agree with you so you're wrong is absolutely crazy. They're the worst team in the league with constant dumb decisions behind it to get to this point
     
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    Just more platitudes:

    "inability/unwillingness to do absolutely anything",

    How are you not doing anything when you lead the team in rebounding and scoring and only 5 players in the league are better than you at doing both are they are all AllStars or SuperStars?

    "if not shooting the ball kills this offense",

    He is still getting assists, steals and has a low turnover rate. His touches are low and I would venture to bet that is usage is as well. He is not a ball hog or stopper as many claimed Harden was here.

    "never setting screens",

    This is easily proved false as he sets screens on almost every possession when on the court. The problem is he slips them too soon and they are not strong screens. But to say he never sets them is incorrect.

    "wandering aimlessly in the paint clogging it with no real awareness or intention of doing anything useful",

    You want him to be a big man, but don't want him in the paint at the same time. Saying he has no awareness or intention to do anything useful in the paint ignores the actual fact that he is one of the most efficient big men in the league when catching the ball in the paint.

    "refusal to box out or make a simple pass",

    How do you not box out but you are 12th in rebounding in the entire league of over 450 players? Do you expect him to be in the top 5 with his size and lack of weight? I see him trying to box out all the time and getting pushed around without any fouls called, but yet he still manages to get those rebounds. Last nights game as an example, he doesn't even try to take all the rebounds from our other players if the rebound is in contention for between him and one of our players. His rebounds are because he is at the basket trying for them, not just because he is on the court.

    "the list goes on and that's just on offense"

    Where is that mythological ongoing list? What do you mean that's just on offense when you mentioned defensive boxing out? If you want to pick on Wood, defensive is where you start, not on offense for sure. Again as already stated, if he shoots 75% or better from the FT line, he is not just good, but an ELITE offensive weapon!
     
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