Right -- but no jumping on the bandwagon mid-season. If you want to be a Rockets fan, you need to renounce your Nugget-headed ways right now and profess your undying love for the classiest franchise in the entire league. Repeat after me: I, Nuggets4, do hereby solemnly swear my allegience to the Houston Rockets, to Hakeem and Rudy T., to Moses and Elvin, to Calvin and Yao, to T-Mac and Clyde. My blood boils at the mere mention of Karla Malone or the thought of John Stockton with the ball at the 3-point line. I rejoice in knowing that the Mavs will be getting their a**es handed to them soon. I will faithfully uphold the legend of Clutch City (I & II) and forever worship the images of Ralph hitting the Shot of the Century, Eddie J. draining the miracle 3, and Mario blowing the kiss of death. Maybe I'm leaving out a few things, but you get the gist.
Hmmm, pretty good. But being a dedicated Rockets fan, you must announce your hatred for Dirk and the Mavs. But that pretty much does it. Nuggets4, where you at? LOL
hey Nuggets4. you needed a SG, so maybe sprewell is better then nothing, on the other hand i absolutly didn't want sprewell. Denver has drafted that belgium guy right? What is expected of him, is he gonna make the team? or just dropped in europe? And will Elson get some playing time? or the same as last year? the dutch team is pathetic, elson is by far the best player (not counting Gadzuric because he never plays for them). And he can barely get some playing time on a nba team
Ok, so you gave Martin a crap load of money, and still have Nene and Camby, just imagine how good you guys would be without Martin and the 3 first rounders. Camby Martin Carmelo (Spree) Miller Nene Boykins Hodge Najera Elson (turkish draftee) I mean its not a bad group, by any means, and I think you will do a lot better this year with Karl running the show, but the Rox will probably still have a better squad on paper. That contract to Martin is a killer, considering we got an athelete for 3rd of the price. As much as I like Martins vicious dunks and intensity, defense, and all the intangibles, he`s not worth the MAX in my opinion, especially when you have Nene who can average a double double given PT. Kiki should have could have and now probably would have given that MAX to Ray Allen and company... wow... imagine Camby Nene Carmelo Allen Miller scary
nice Yeah, Denver was my longshot pick last year to win their division. I knew the Wolves were going to implode (though I just figured it'd be Sam's crickety crotch ), and the Nuggets are the perfect running team to take full advantage of the mile-high homecourt advantage. Kiki really dropped the ball stringing out the coaching situation. Hopefully they realize their potential to be a 50-win team this year. I'm going ahead and dropping in my $10 bet to the tipjar that Spree (assuming he signs) and Melo get into a feud by the ides of March. Evan
Your logic is lacking. 1.) We got a deal on Swift. Martin is a heck of a lot more accomplished than Swift. Compare Martin's deal to say Jerome James, or other guys who signed last summer with Martin, like Damiper or Foyle. 2.) Nene averaged 6.5 boards when he got 32 minutes per game in 03/04. He would have needed to average more than 40 minutes per game to get 10 rebounds a game at his 04/05 rebounding pace. 3.) And Ray Allen would have signed because...? Allen turned down an offer from the Cavs, with a better, or at least equal, core.
What is the deal with DerMarr Johnson? I don't know much about him personally, just what I saw in the Houston games. He is rated like the #6 defensive SG by 82games.com, he has length, evidently good speed and quickness, and a good 3-ptr (at least against the Rockets). Are the Nuggets trying to low ball him, or is he just not wanted. I don't even hear anything out of his agent. Last I heard he was talking back to the Hawks, does he just want to get a payday? I would sure like to see Houston get him for a swingman, beside and behind TMac. Houston has been looking for a SG all summer and now have DA, but he can play point and DJ is much younger. Whas' up wit dis?
I've got to agree giving KMart that huge contract was a mistake. The Nets made the right decision. His will be 28 in December and they owe him 6 more years of guaranteed money at $11MM, $12MM, $13MM, $14MM, $15MM, $17MM! He will be a tombstone around their necks. KMart has never been star, never will be and never steps up big in the playoffs. His flash, nasty dunks and Jason Kidd got him that money.
Yeah - franchise money for 15.5 and 7. That's 3rd option numbers. His attitude and energy go a long way, but geez. At least grab a couple of more boards or block a few more shots (#35 in the league, averaged less per game than Mutombo despite more than double the minutes) if you're playing the 4. On the brightside, he's progressed a lot in terms of playing legit defense with less fouling. Evan
i agree. this dude has been in the nba for a decade since like 94. (bucks, heat) he'd be better suited off the bench.
that contract kiki gave to kmart is sad and ridiculous. they gave max dollers to an average player. and a below mediocre play-off performer. kenyon martin is set for life!!!! good for kmart
Ray Allen was just an example, they could have thrown money at JJ, or Redd. Allen being the best out of the trio IMO. My point is having Martin IMO does not make them that much better. I can actually see Swift dunking all over Martin, but then again Martin would break Swifts arm if he dunked on him. Martin's deal was a mistake, Martin to me is similar to Amare in that their point guards make their game a lot easier.
Nah, I save being a w**** for other areas. I love Najera. Most posters on here know how heartbroken I was to lose Ryan Bowen last year. You guys saw what "The Bowen Factor" can do for a team. When we acquired Najera, it was like landing Bowen with talent. I'm a huge Najera fan and from all reports both Kiki and Karl are as well. You'll have to excuse me. Right about there was where blood started shooting out of my ears. Arno! The man in my sig! By Belgium guy, I'm asuming you mean Linas Kleiza. I absolutely HATED the Kleiza pick (trade) when it happened. I saw Kleiza play at Mizzou (yes, I sadly attend University of Colorado basketball games) and he looked pretty rough. You could see he was a hard worker, but it just wasn't working for him. Apparently, he was playing out of position. He was pretty solid in summer league play and the team is confident that they got a good player there. A few months ago, I would have said he was headed to Europe. Now, I actually think he's going to be a servicable back-up at the 3 and get solid minutes (15-20 mpg). I hope Elson gets some PT. I've gone on record saying I'm a big fan of Elson because he's such a solid player and does the dirty work. That said, the front court is JAMMED right now. Personally, I think we'll see Nene dealt by the trade deadline and when that happens, Elson will go back to his 10-15 mpg. Until then, unfortunately, we're going to see a lot of "DNP-CD" in his boxscore. I know the team likes him though. EDIT: Crap, I just realized you were talking about Axel Hervelle as the "Belgium guy". I honestly don't know anything about him. I'd have to check around. The draft picks still bother me. The Nets weren't going to match the deal. That said, as much as I hate to say it, we had to do the deal. I'd do the deal again today if we had the opportunity. Martin brought an intensity that was SERIOUSLY lacking with this team. I absolutely hate it when he slaps the backboard after every damn dunk, but it gets the team fired up. The team now has a killer edge to it -- something we've seriously been lacking. Also, don't judge his stats too much yet. This is going to sound like a bunch of excuses (and it might be), but remember: * last year was his first in Denver. * last year he struggled with injuries all year. * last year we had roughly 4,281 coaches. I think we're going to see more along the lines of 18 and 9 from K-Mart this year. Besides, as long as Nene is struggling to outrebound guards on other teams, I'm not going to bash K-Mart's rebounding numbers. I have no idea what's going on. I don't think it's the payday situation, that doesn't seem like DerMarr. Plus, he doesn't exactly have a lot of leverage right now. I'm on record saying that I'd LOVE to see him back in Denver, but have no idea what's going to happen. Here's our depth chart right now: * PG - Miller, Boykins, Flores * SG - Hodge, Lenard * SF - Melo, Klieza * PF - K-Mart, Nene, Najera * C - Camby, Elson We still have a few players from last year's team unsigned: DerMarr, Greg Buckner (who will probably be brought back), Bryon Russell (who I'd love to see back), Wesley Person (ditto) and Mark Pope (who I wouldn't mind having as our 15th man again). Plus the rumored interest in Spree.
hey nuggets4. yeah i meant Axel Hervelle, i haven't seen him play that much, just the last game of holland Belgium, and he killed us. He seems to be able to hit some shots. And the dutch presentator tought he was very good(but then again he said the same of elson so). I hope Elson will get to stay with Denver, they are now one of my favorite teams(sorry that is for a large part because of Elson). It is to bad tough that he plays with a team with such a loaded front court. I hope nene will get traded for a SG. we will see. But you say the team seems to like elson, that is good news. Do you know when his contract ends?
I totally go with you an the killer attitude bit, but I don't know about the numbers. There's more than a couple reasons to doubt that he's going to make a leap to 18 and 9: -This is going to be his 6th year in the league, and I haven't seen him add very much to his offensive game yet, making me question his offseason work ethic. If he can develop his midrange shot a little more, he'd benefit greatly. Likewise, his FT shooting hasn't improved a bit in his career. -He's playing next to Carmelo instead of with Kidd. One of these guys has an elite ability to make others better, one of them has to have the ball pryed from his sticky fingers. -He was brought in to Denver not to be a role player, but to be the #2 piece next to Anthony. The contract made that crystal clear. And yet, his numbers went down from his last two years in Jersey, where he was the number 3 guy on the team. Doesn't this say something? -17 games over 20 points last year out of 70, never averaged 18 pts or more in any month of the season, and not a single 30 point game. Where's the promise of him being even an 18 PPG scorer over a season when he didn't manage to average it in a single month span? He hasn't been Boozer-level disappointing, but to me, I see zero that would make me believe he's going to put up anything better than he has in the last 3 years (a fairly steady 16 and 8), or that he can reasonably hope to live up to his contract. Evan
-Allen stayed with his team as did Redd. -Swift dunked all over Dirk Nowitzki. Great, awesome. What does that have to do with anything, other than being 2 points for the Rockets? -Atlanta offered Joe Johnson the max, so that's what it would have taken. Is a max contract for Joe Johnson coming off a 17 point season really all that different than a max deal for Kenyon Martin coming off an all-star berth? Further, Joe Johnson was restricted - if he just wanted out of Phoenix and Phoenix had some say in his destination (via sign and trade), you don't think they prefer him going out of conference to Atlanta vs. Denver?
It appears my prayers have been answered. Also, answering a question that I and others in this thread have had: Not sure how Watson fits in unless we trade Earl (please let us trade Earl), but it's not Spree so that makes it a good move.
