What a great reply to those that think Paul Ryan gave the only reasonable answer. Nice find. I repped you for it. The fact is that the CBO isn't a partisan organization. They provide the figures not only on this but on govt. expenditures in general that both sides have agreed to rely on. Sometimes they are wrong, but that's the nature of the beast when dealing with predicting the cost of programs. They've been underestimating the savings from health care programs in the past. So who knows it may cut the deficit even more. Either way for folks like Paul Ryan and Boehner to come out and all of a sudden decide the figures are no good when those the figures both sides have agreed to for a long time reeks of desperation.
Oops. The Ezra Kline article answers Paul Ryan nicely. But what's dumb is people who say it can't save money without looking at the parts of the bill, that cut waste in medicare and things like that. If the bill was only about giving out money you would be right. But the bill isn't just about that. It actually pays for itself and apparently saves some money as well. It's called being fiscally responsible, and I understand that it sucks for you that it was the Democrats that were, but those are the facts.
good to know, thanks for the response. is spending at the peak (when adjusted for inflation of course)? the current rhetoric would have us believe it is.
Let's see, one of the Republicans main campaign pledges was to repeal Obamacare. They were elected in a landslide election. Why wouldn't they vote to repeal it. The vote won't do anything but put everyone on the record again for 2012. I believe there will be some bipartisan support for repeal. This will be dead in the Senate and there is no way Obama would sign it anyway. There is a MAJORITY of people in this country that do not like this bill. This majority elected the Republican's to repeal it. The SCOTUS will be the branch of government that kills the bill. BTW, anyone who thinks this will actually save money is crazy including the CBO. Every entitlement that has ever been has cost way more than the original projections.
Excellent, excellent point. I think people are being far too optimistic when they believe that entitlement programs will in any way ultimately save money for the us government. I have no faith this will not end up like every other government program with apathy and waste. From speaking with some physicians about this, it looks like this plan will be discounting further how much physicians are receiving from government supported programs, which was already low to begin with, leading me to wonder if it's even fiscally possible for physicians to treat patients responsibly who require public assistance. I haven't done any research on it myself, but I'd love to see the average figures of how much physicians make on each type of patient and how it will change based on the new system. People take for granted the incredibly gifted doctors that are treating them on a regular basis. Medical school is a really difficult arduous journey which costs quite a bit of money. Then after medical school doctors make below minimum wage during residency and then fellowship. So for 7 to 12 years of their lives, physicians basically live in a low to middle class status while being the upper echelon of their educational classes. Obviously, the majority do what they do due to altruistic ideals of their personality, but if you take away the financial incentive, you will see a drop in quality just because of the sheer magnitude of years that they have to live in debt/minimum wage status while their peers such as attorneys and businessmen are investing a fraction of the time and living comfortably.
