Whiteside photo, that isn't DRAFTING. But its these kind of moves too, acquired players that slipped away, the COULDA-HADS. There's Whiteside, of course "Linsanity" at the time. Then under-the-radar moves like Demarre Carroll, Shaun Livingston, Etwaun Moore, James Johnson, etc. Its a credit that Morey found them honestly, it shows he recognizes talent. Some of them he even got BACK. And can only fill 15 spots where only 9 play. But its an IMAGE of talent escaping Morey's reach.
Spoiler Sixers(Billy King, Ed Stefanski, Rod Thorn, Tony DiLeo, Sam Hinkie) Spoiler 2007 1-12 Thad Young 2008 1-16 Marreese Speights 2009 1-17 Jrue Holiday 2011 1-16 Nikola Vucevic 2012 1-15 Mo Harkless 2013 1-11 Michael Carter-Williams 2014 1-12 Dario Saric 2014 2-32 K.J. McDaniels 2014 2-39 Jerami Grant 2014 Undrafted Tim Frazier Bucks(Larry Harris, John Hammond) Spoiler 2007 2-56 Ramon Sessions 2008 2-37 Luc Mbah a Moute 2009 2-41 Jodie Meeks 2010 1-15 Larry Sanders 2011 1-19 Tobias Harris 2012 1-14 John Henson 2013 1-15 Giannis Antetokounmpo Bulls(John Paxson, Gar Forman) Spoiler 2008 2-36 Omer Asik 2009 1-26 Taj Gibson 2011 1-23 Nikola Mirotic 2011 1-30 Jimmy Butler 2013 1-20 Tony Snell 2014 1-11 Doug McDermott 2015 1-22 Bobby Portis Nuggets(Mark Warkentien, Masai Ujiri) Spoiler 2009 1-18 Ty Lawson 2011 1-22 Kenneth Faried 2012 1-20 Evan Fournier 2013 2-55 Joffrey Lauvergne 2014 1-16 Jusuf Nurkić 2014 1-19 Gary Harris 2014 2-41 Nikola Jokić Pacers(Larry Bird, Donnie Walsh) Spoiler 2008 1-13 Brandon Rush 2008 1-17 Roy Hibbert 2009 1-13 Tyler Hansbrough 2010 2-40 Lance Stephenson 2013 1-23 Solomon Hill 2015 1-11 Myles Turner Spurs(R.C. Buford) Spoiler 2007 1-28 Tiago Splitter 2007 Undrafted Gary Neal 2008 1-26 George Hill 2009 2-37 DeJuan Blair 2009 Undrafted Aron Baynes 2010 Undrafted Boban Marjanovic 2011 1-15 Kawhi Leonard 2011 1-29 Cory Joseph 2012 Undrafted JaMychal Green 2012 Undrafted Jonathon Simmons 2014 1-30 Kyle Anderson Blazers(Kevin Pritchard, Rich Cho, Chad Buchanan, Neil Olshey) Spoiler 2007 2-37 Josh McRoberts 2008 1-11 Jerryd Bayless 2008 1-25 Nic Batum 2009 2-33 Dante Cunningham 2009 2-55 Patty Mills 2012 1-11 Meyers Leonard 2012 2-40 Will Barton 2013 2-31 Allen Crabbe Warriors(Chris Mullin, Larry Riley, Bob Myers) Spoiler 2007 1-18 Marco Belinelli 2008 Undrafted Anthony Morrow 2010 Undrafted Jeremy Lin 2011 1-11 Klay Thompson 2012 1-30 Festus Ezeli 2012 2-35 Draymond Green 2012 Undrafted Kent Bazemore 2013 Undrafted Dewayne Dedmon ________________________ But whatever "good" picks he makes, they're gone before their [rookie] contract is up. Spoiler Aaron Brooks - traded in his 4th season to Phoenix for Goran Dragic & 1st round pick(Nikola Mirotic, who was traded for Donatas Motiejunas). Dragic walked as a FA a year later back to Phoenix Carl Landry - traded in his 3rd season (with Joey Dorsey) to Sacramento for Hilton Armstrong & Kevin Martin. (T-Mac trade) Armstrong walked after that season as a free agent; Martin traded 2Y8M later for James Harden Brad Newley - Overseas Donte Greene - traded his rookie summer (with Bobby Jackson & a 1st round pick(Omri Casspi) for Ron Artest, Sean Singletary & Patrick Ewing. Singletary was traded 11 days later for D.J. Strawberry; Ewing was traded 15 days later for Frederic Weis; MWP walked as a free agent after the season. Joey Dorsey - traded in his 2nd season (with Carl Landry) to Sacramento for Hilton Armstrong & Kevin Martin. (T-Mac trade) See above. Maarty Leunen - Overseas Jermaine Taylor - traded in his 2nd season to Sacramento for a 2nd round pick Houston never received. Sergio Llull - Overseas Chase Budinger - traded after his 3rd season (with Lior Eliyahu) to Minnesota for a 1st round pick(Terrence Jones). Jones was around 4 years before being allowed to walk as a free agent. Patrick Patterson - traded in his 3rd season (with Cole Aldrich & Toney Douglas) to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia, Tyler Honeycutt & Thomas Robinson. Garcia stuck around for 1Y9M before being waived; Honeycutt was waived 13 days later; Robinson traded to Portland for Kostas Papanikolau, Mirko Todorovic & two 2nd round picks. Marcus Morris - traded in his 2nd season to Phoenix for a 2nd round pick(Isaiah Canaan). Canaan was traded for K.J. McDaniels. Donatas Motiejunas - traded in his 4th season (with Marcus Thornton) to Detroit for a 1st round pick & Joel Anthony. Trade was rescinded; currently in a contract stalemate. Chandler Parsons - made a RFA after his 3rd season; allowed to walk to Dallas after contract was not matched. Jeremy Lamb - traded his rookie summer (with Kevin Martin, 1st round pick(Steven Adams), 1st round pick(Mitch McGary) & a 2nd round pick(Alex Abrines)) to Oklahoma City for James Harden, Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook & Lazar Hayward. Harden is a superstar; Aldrich was traded PPat & Toney Douglas for Garcia, Honeycutt & Robinson; Cook waived 3 months later; Hayward waived 2 days later. Royce White - never suited up for the Rockets; traded after his rookie season (with Furkan Aldemir) to Philadelphia for a 2nd round pick Houston never received. Terrence Jones - not tendered a contract after his 4th season; allowed to walk as a free agent. Isaiah Canaan - traded in his 2nd season (with a 2nd round pick) to Philadelphia for K.J. McDaniels. Clint Capela - Starting center in his 3rd season. Nick Johnson - traded after his rookie season (with Joey Dorsey, Kostas Papanikolaou, Pablo Prigioni & a 1st round pick) to Denver for Ty Lawson (& 2nd round pick). Alessandro Gentile - Overseas Sam Dekker - Backup Montrezl Harrell - Backup Chinanu Onuaku - DLeague Zhou Qi - Overseas
It's very frustrating, especially when you consider that making the playoffs to face the Warriors did absolutely nothing and D-Mo is still holding out.
What exactly does that prove though? That they are not foundation players you can build your team around? Sure. But they are still good role players, considering where we picked them. That Morey treats players as "assets"? Maybe. But that's a whole new off topic discussion.
It means he is not that great at drafting....I mean if they were REALLY good they would still be here right? DD
What I've always maintained as well. Doesnt help when you have posters like WTF Rockets WTF perpetuating how bad a pick an injured rookie Dekker was for a season and actually putting it in his signature. A mid-1st round injured rookie.
He hits a bunch of singles and a double or two. Pretty sure he gets credit from anyone not trolling though...
But that is the Billy Beane way, you win with a bunch of singles, you don't steal a base (no unnecessary risks) - whether that works inthe NBA remains to be seen....so far, not so much. He has taken a low risk high upside trades, but none of those have worked yet.... DD
Without a good foundation, keeping a bunch of good role players won't get you anywhere. Had we had a big three in place already, I'm sure a lot of them would still be here. Some of them he traded for better "assets", others he gave up for fear of risking the "flexibility". You can fault him for forever star chasing. But again, that doesn't mean they are bad draft picks. Most of them are starter quality or key rotation players. To me that's a pretty darn good track record.
I truly do not understand that post. Please at least explain why you think those teams overall drafted better with picks after the Rockets? Just because you compile a list doesn't mean it's better. btw: why did you leave out a lot of years. I mean some of those players are horrible DudeWah's list is better than yours .... arguably for every single team you listed, when you discount players taken ahead of Morey's best pick each year. I don't get it.
Shouldn't he be drafting FOUNDATION pieces? Seems to me your expectations are too low - mine are much higher I want a championship team.. DD
I call my expectations realistic. What's the likelihood of drafting foundation pieces with mid first round picks at best? For every Kawhi, there are dozens of Jimmers out there. Heck, a lot of teams can't even find foundation pieces with top 3 picks.
Thank you J.R. You mean Maury is not special? How can that be? Another Maury a**-kissing thread from Dudewah.
@J.R. is like Comey dropping a letter to congress in November! This post needs more explanation. This drop can be seen as an indictment on Morey's draft practices OR can equally be seen as confirmation of his successes. I'm confused.. which is it?
that is the most random arbitrary list -- literally picking the first data point "2007 - Sixers - Thad Young".....they also passed on Marc Gasol three times.
