WTF? You sure as hell can fault him, it is HIS JOB to find the best players, and I honestly don't care about the 13 other teams...they are not the GM of the Rockets....come on now.....when can Morey be held accountable? Anyone, Buehler, anyone? DD
You both know the point I'm making. You can't excuse Morey because "13 other GMs passed on Kawhi." Everyone would have passed at #1. Everyone would have passed at #2, etc. and so forth But how many GMs pass at #14 on Kawhi. That's the point. It becomes a worse and worse pick to pass on Kawhi as more and more players are taken in front of him. If you are going to criticize anyone for passing on Kawhi, the absolute biggest criticism goes to the last GM to pass on him.
Ahhhh you want to sub par dafting...look 250 miles north. In ten years, the Mavs brain trust has produced Devin Harris, Justin Anderson and Jae Crowder. That's it...one decent NBA player and two who are are roster filler. IN TEN YEARS!!!! THAT'S subpar drafting....
Of course you don't care, because you live in a dream world. In that world your ideal GM ALWAYS finds the best players... Now wake the F up and come back to the real world. Find us ANY GM in NBA history that never passes on better players.
While I completely understand your overall point, the "biggest criticism" sub-point is arbitrary and lazy. I was positive we were taking Kahwi after Markieff was announced. When Marcus was on our card, I cringed....hard. The point we "Morey defenders" are making here is that the draft, especially outside of the lotto, is a crap shoot where the ultimate goal is to find NBA worthy rotational talent. What you get beyond that is a bonus. Morey has an above average track record in doing just that. Does that come with the near-Kahwi-Leonard-miss? Yea, of course it does. This same blemish is on every single GMs resume. Perfection doesn't exist in this line of work. The best Receivers have drops, batters strike outs, etc. That is the nature of the job as illustrated perfectly by the San Antonio Spurs in 1 round. They nab Kahwi Leonard (15) at a retrospective huge value and then totally whiff on Jimmy Butler(30) in exchange for Cory Joseph(29). If you're going to huff and puff because "your team" GM missed Kahwi Leonard that one time and want someone knew...do you really think it won't happen again?
And I agree, too. And I'm on the Morey Defender side of the discussion wrt scouting talent. Mainly because of his 2nd rounders and undrafted players. I said that two posts ago. So, consider yourself in an discussion with a Morey Defender. His biggest criticism on drafting is himself. How many GMs have made that many picks and have yet to think enough of one to resign or give a rookie-scale extension to. So, according to that, it's a strong argument to say he's at best "good." It's not just Morris v Kawhi and DMo vs a plethora of players (Faried, Reggie Jackson, Morotic and Jimmy Butler.) Or TJones/Royce White vs Zeller, Fournier and Sullinger. It's his whole body of 1st rounders.
I do have a lot of respect for DaDakota and HeyP, but I must say that I disagree with their assessment as well. Hindsight is 20/20 and Marcus Morris seemed like a very solid pick at the time. Dekker, Capela, and Harrell. I think we can all agree that his drafting has helped us tremendously this season
I actually said he was Good to Very Good drafter....in my first post in this thread Did you gloss over that part, because I said one thing you didn't agree with?
No, I was just disagreeing with the notion that Morris was a bad pick. Question: Did the Chargers make the worst draft decision of all time or was Ryan Leaf the biggest bust in NFL history? I would say the latter. It wasn't an objectively terrible pick at the time. Kudos to Indy for picking Peyton, but everyone had those two at the top. Relative to their position in the draft, it wasn't clear that Leonard would be better than Morris by any consensus. Morey made a solid pick. I think the only "bad picks" are when teams don't address glaring weaknesses and/or pick someone that everyone thinks is a stretch. I.e. Milwaukee drafting Thon Maker so early.
Not sure why Morey needs to be defended of his draft records. He is not terrible. Nor is he outstanding. I'd say he is pretty much average IN THE FIRST ROUND. (I can't think of a really outstanding pick he made in the first round relative to the draft position.) He is outstanding in the second round though. He got some solid picks and made some terrible blunders. But you can say that about almost every GM. Morey doesn't have to be god about everything he does. He is a very good GM. I am glad he works for my team. But he is not above criticism. BTW, if you truly want to evaluate a GM's draft record, it would be a very tedious work. You don't just list out all the players he drafted, but also all the players he could have drafted but didn't. You see, drafting depends a lot on the draft positions and that year's draft class quality. Not to mention, you have to look at the draft picks that he traded for or traded away and what he got from those trades.
No referencing posts from other threads without saying so. I thought I was going crazy looking for your earlier post and seeing nothing.
Look at it this way. By selecting Morris and DMo (when we already had Patrick Patterson), in total, Morey passed on these 1st Rounders: 2011 Draft Morris Kawhi, Vucevic, Tobias HarrisDMo (who was a planned Euro-stash) Faried, Reggie Jackson, Morotic and ButlerWe give Morey a good grade on that draft because of Parsons in the 2nd round and because half the bbs still loves DMo, but that was one of the best drafts in awhile, and look at all the 1st Round talent he passed on. That draft and 2012 is why many say he's below average on 1st round picks. 2012 Draft 2012 was a bad draft class, but Morey had three picks and got Lamb, TJones and Royce White, and ironically missed on his prototype pick -- a undervalued / undersized PF -- in Draymond Green ... a likely HOFer. Considering that's the pick he had been looking for with PPatt, Morris, Jones, White and Harrell ... It's so sad when the draft finally arrived that had the great, undervalued, undersized PF, Morey slept on him. Hell, many wanted Zeller, Sullinger and Fournier too. Considering the 3 picks, is that the worst draft by a GM in 2012. DudeWah is correct though to bring this back up, because by Dekker and Capela are again proving that Morey is a good to great evaluator of talent...and he grabbed Wiltjer, too.
Can't tell if serious. Post #37 in this thread. http://bbs.clutchfans.net/index.php...-a-subpar-drafter.278819/page-2#post-10789947
Ever since Morey hitched his reputation on the Battier/Gay trade, that set a tone where his selections are seen as "regressive". That he's passing up on high upside for bland skills. Then his actual risky upside moves don't work, so it makes it look like his nerd calculator has blind spots unable to potential that the "fan" sees, fair or unfair Overall Morey's body of work is sound. Its when he MISSES, they are the NOTABLE SPECTACULAR kind. Getting Dorsey over Deandre AND Omer Asik, Dontae Greene over Batum, Morris over Kawhi, and I might be missing 1, every single one of those the HIGH AND LOW informed FAN saw as the BETTER players and better NEED FITS at those draft spots. Absolutely it gets held against Morey
My position as always: 1. Maury is a mediocre 1st round drafter and a good 2nd round drafter. 2. Maury shouldn't receive a free pass on Kawhi just because 14 other GM's passed on him. That doesn't make Maury any better than those other GM's. 3. How many of Maury's draft choices have been extended past their rookie contract? I really don't care how they have performed for other teams. If they were good enough, they would have stayed here at the Rockets. Will Capela be extended? According to our "insider" _holic, Capela will be gone too. 4. It is very hard to win in this league just via free agency and trade. I really can't think of a team that has made the NBA finals recently without a draft choice of their own that is a top 3 player for that team. Ultimately you need one of your own draft choices to be a cornerstone and top 3 player for your team. 5. Yes we have not had top picks but that is where you need to find some diamonds in the rough that can be extended past their rookie contract. There are plenty good players in every draft worthy of being the 3rd best player on a championship team even with the lower picks but we just can't get them - likes of Kawhi, Parker, Ginobili, Draymond Green, Jimmy Butler, DeAndre Jordan, Marc Gasol etc.
Sorry about that brother, I think I got caught up in the new format. So I replied to this thread and what I was seeing was posts 1-19 and then 3 posts on a different page. It appeared like your first comment that I saw was on the first page and was your first comment. Sorry for the confusion, this new format has some nuances I haven't memorized yet. I was serious, but misled. Thx for the tip on looking at the post number. That should clear things up in the future. P.S. Beat the Jazz outta the j*zz!
