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The myth that James Harden isn't or hasn't been clutch in his career ends right now?

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by HardenVolumeOne, Mar 30, 2022.

  1. Landry's Tooth

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    So you chose some of them, not all?

    The fact you're ignoring 76% of the data tells me you're hiding something...
     
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    wekko368 Member

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    In his first season with us, he was 18/12 and was named to the all-nba 2nd team.
     
  3. wekko368

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    Sorry, but you're trying to compare Harden and Jordan, the consensus GOAT. There's nothing to hide.
     
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    wekko368 Member

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    No, you were wrong about almost everything. Why don't you spend less time typing and more time researching? That way, your opinions would be informed instead of ignorant.
     
  5. HardenVolumeOne

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    as a scorer basketball reference absoultely thinks harden is not only comparable to jordan but to oscar and west as well... i already posted the similarity scores in this thread

    the league had to put in new rules to try and nerf harden 3 seperate times lol, 20 years from now people are gonna look at that and see hardens greatness for what it is, you cant see it now in the present
     
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    That's why stats alone don't determine rankings on the GOAT list.

    Which rules?

    Unfortunately, that's not true. Memories fade, and a player's greatness will erode over time. If a player isn't celebrated now, there's probably a good reason for it.
     
  7. Landry's Tooth

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    Career playoff shooting:

    3pt%:
    Jordan - 33.2%
    Harden - 33.2%

    2pt%:
    Jordan - 50.4%
    Harden - 50.9%

    Jordan was a better defensive player obviously. Ive made no claim Harden was better, just adding context that Jordan wasn't as great as people assume and Harden not as bad...
     
  8. Landry's Tooth

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    I agree, riding the coattails of your teammates and relying on them to set illegal screens to do your one elite thing is pretty loser like...

    When playing without an allstar teammate Harden has won a bunch of playoff series... i don't think Curry has ever won a single playoff series as the only allstar on his team...
     
  9. Landry's Tooth

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    Was that the one season he was an allstar?

    I don't need your help confirming what i already know...

    Now start your clint capela is a hall of famer thread since his numbers match up pretty close...
     
  10. wekko368

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    The problem is, you don't know much. For instance, you were unaware that Howard and CP3 were both playing at a HOF level when they joined us.

    Think about that. You were totally oblivious to something that was obvious to the rest of us.
     
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    As long as you're adding context, you should note that Jordan played in an era where fewer fouls were called which made it more difficult to score. Harden plays in an era that inflates scoring due to touch fouls. In other words, Jordan's era lowered fg% while Harden's era raised it.
     
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    All I’ll say on that one , was Howard was sooo dominant we lost that series and his defense was sooo dominant Lamarcus Aldridge took our team to the shed for 30 ppg .

    plus , wasn’t that the year kelvin sampson left right before the playoffs started .

    our best team with harden and Howard was 14-15 . In that year , Howard only played like half the games and harden carried us to a 2 seed . We would have done better in the playoffs , but Beverley and Dmo (our starters ) were both out .

    Furthermore Howard hurt himself in game 1 vs GS . He played , but at a reduced level the rest of the series . Harden had great games in game 1-2 in GS and we almost stole one .
     
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    Maybe we would've won if Harden shot better than 38% from the field and 30% from the 3pt line. Also, wasn't Terrence Jones the primary defender on Aldridge?
     
  14. snowconeman22

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    rrriiight . We did start with Jones on him . But by the end of the first half we were trying Howard and Asik . Only guy we didn’t try was DMO (we should have ) . If you have Dwight Howard and you want him on robin Lopez instead of LA ... that’s a coaching mistake .

    Howard talked a big game after game 1 “it’s on me” type of **** ... and had a good scoring game in game 2 . But couldn’t shut down LA .

    I’d put the blame on that series on coaching vs any player . The Lillard shot was parsons mistake IIRC . We did start getting momentum back in that series . But lost .

    we only won series after we became “Harden’s team” . But Dwight (among others) played a big role in 14-15 playoffs . The mavs series was big for Howard and smith . LAC too . But james played well overall through those series . And look again at his game 1 and 2 vs GS ... up to that point those were the best 2 games I’d ever see him play (and yeah he had a goof at the end of game 2 that “cost” us )
     
  15. Landry's Tooth

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    Making things up is very weak....

    Howard was coming off back surgery and a bad season and not in his prime.

    I never said Paul was bad. I pointed out up to paul, harden had played one season with an allstar.

    Next you're going to make the case he played with future hall of famer joe johnson... just stop making yoursf look bad...
     
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    Not sure about that. Aldridge was a floor spacer, and we needed Dwight to protect the interior. Also, we didn't want him in foul trouble.

    Why do you think the Warriors used Iguodala to guard Lebron instead of Draymond Green?
     
  17. Landry's Tooth

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    So i looked it up instead of going by memory... Paul failed to be an allstar in Houston. Westbrook was only because of a bunch on backcourt injuries that year Curry, George, Thompson, etc)

    Howard was an allstar his first season in Houston and never since.

    So Harden played 2 of his 9 season with another allstar. One of those 2 seasons was due to injuries around the league.
     
  18. Landry's Tooth

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    Ah so the majority of the time he was in Houston he wasn't; but because some of the time he was that makes you right.... lmao... got it..
     
  19. wekko368

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    Whose making things up? Dwight Howard was an all-star and all-NBA 2nd team in his first year with us. Was he at his peak? No. But he was definitely in his prime and playing at a HOF level.

    CP3 was playing at a HOF level in his first year with us.

    You're the one looking silly by comparing Howard/CP3 joining the Rockets to McGrady joining the Spurs.
     
  20. wekko368

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    The majority of the time he was in Houston, Howard was disgruntled because his offensive role had been reduced. You understand this, right?
     

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