Seems like it helps the Heat the most because they can re-sign Wade, max out another free agent, and still have enough to sign another guy for higher than the MLE.
I am particularily interested in seeing how Riley approaches FA. They may have enough for two max players, but outside that, they will have a difficult time building a complete team.
Their best bet is probably to max out on a couple free agents and then trade Beasley to a team like Golden State for some role players (Azibuke, Morrow, Watson etc). A soft, skilled, jump-shooting big man? Nellie would be all over that.
More complicated, yes. MUCH more complicated, I don't think so. BYC was a much bigger deal under the old CBA, where salary matching was limited to 115%+100K. With the increase to 125%+100K, it's just not nearly as difficult. When you start talking about the types of salaries in a deal it would take to acquire a guy like Bosh (starting at ~17m), that 25% buffer starts to make it pretty easier. If Bosh signs for the max (projected -- 16.6m), the +/- 25%+100K puts the range between 13.2m and 20.9m in salary. There are a lot of permutations, but hypothetically speaking, value in Scola, talent in Hill, and an expiring deal like Jeffries could be a decent enough starting point. Sprinkle in picks as you see fit. Hill makes $2.7m and Jeffries makes $6.9m assuming he takes his option (like that's a question!). Let's assume Scola signs for $8m per year. From the Rockets' perspective, Hill (2.7)+Jeffries (6.9)+Scola ($8m/2=4m) gets you to 13.6m. Add the 25%+100K kicker, and you get to 17.1m -- enough for Bosh with 500K room to spare. Scola's salary could go as low as $7.2m and it would still work. From the Raptors' perspective, Hill+Jeffries+Scola at $8m add up to 17.6m. That easily fits into 125%+100K of Bosh's 16.6m salary. There's another consideration with BYC deals to consider -- while it's legal, the Raptors may not want to add that much salary if they're ostensibly going to be rebuilding. This is a problem with most any sign & trade deal, BYC or not, with a team losing a superstar -- why take on salary in a rebuilding year? The Rockets could start by kicking in cash of up to $3m. They also likely have a $3.1m trade exception from Landry as part of the Martin/Tmac trade as I laid out here: http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5126679&postcount=75 Using that, they could easily take the $2.4m salary of a guy like Marco Belinelli off of the Raptors. If they took Belinelli and added $3m in cash, the Raptors would be paying 4.4m less than if they had resigned Bosh. For the Rockets, their salary base for lux tax considerations would only be $1.4m higher than had they resigned Scola. Since we'll likely be in the luxury tax, the cost to upgrade from Scola to Bosh in this scenario in year 1 is Jordan Hill and ~$6 million ($3m in cash, $1.4mx2 salary cost increase and luxury tax effect). You can easily substitute Jeffries with Ariza or Battier and Hill with Brooks/Andersen+Budinger/Taylor for alternate permutations. Basically, Scola's BYC will not make it difficult for us to trade him for an upgrade (max/near max player). It'd be far more difficult to try to trade him for a similar level contract on a team without cap space.
You're right. After I posted that, I actually started thinking about how big the total salary numbers involved in a Bosh sign-and-trade would actually be. But I just decided not to bother with a follow-up post. Great explanation, NIKEstrad!
While this consideration applies to most teams in the NBA, IMO Toronto is not likely one of them. They've openly said that they can't really rebuild through free agency. So trading their star for prospects is pretty much the only way they can build. If the Rockets pile on enough picks, I see no reason why they'd refuse. And from the Rockets perspective, they don't lack for role players. So mid-1st round picks aren't really all that useful for us. Personally, I'm more curious whether Toronto would want Scola or not. I'm of the opinion that they really want to ask for Brooks, and have us to take Calderon's gigantic contract off their hands. But that would be pretty dicey in terms of how much extra contract we need to put in. It would also be quite pricey in terms of talent.
How about Battier (7.4m) + Jeffries (6.8m) + 2010 #14 (1.5m) + 2011 First Round pick via NY + 2012 First round pick via NY + 3 million for Bosh(17.1m) Pre arrange a 2 million dollar buyout for Battier. Resign him with the MLE for 3 years 10 million front loaded (5m, 3m, 2m) so he still gets his 7m for 2010-2011 but gets a reduced extension. Match offers on Scola/Lowry. Brooks/Lowry Martin/Budinger/Taylor Battier/Ariza Bosh/Scola/Hayes Yao/Hill/Andersen
Agreed. Calderon's contract is ridiculously bad. He's playing backup PG on one of the few teams that does not possess a decent PG, and is owed 10 million through 2013. If I'm taking that awful thing back, the only actual assets I would contemplate giving up would be Scola as he would be redundant, and one pick. Anything more, and I'm laughing in Toronto's face.
We are still stuck without a solid backup center. Andersen can't rebound or defend and Hill is not a center. You're putting too much faith in Yao.
Well, it would depend on what Morey does with the MLE, as well as the picks we would theoretically save by moving Brooks instead. I didn't say it would be a deal Morey would do. But I do think that it would be considered a Godfather deal for Toronto, because it gives them huge cap flexibility in addition to grabbing a young talent. And that if Morey actually offers it, Toronto at least would not say no.
if bosh tells the raps he wants a S&T to houston or he's signing with the knicks, heat, bulls, etc... and they will get nothing for him, then i think the raps go for the S&T. they have no real leverage. they can't make demands of taking bad contracts with bosh. its in their best interest to complete a S&T, even if they dont get near equal value back. as long as what they get helps start the rebuilding process. i don't think scola fits that bill. they would most likely be interested in picks, young players and cap space. something like jeffries and battier for ending contracts, hill, 14th pick, and a future first should be enough... but that's IF bosh wants to come here. also, we might work something out where we give them a future second round pick, or $3M in cash to waive battier so he can resign here.
I think I just wet my pants. That would put us in championship territory as long as Yao is healthy...arrgghh
If you don't think Bosh can play center, then there's no point in even thinking about trading for him. Bosh is our backup center.
Well its my personal belief if we land Bosh w/o giving up Scola you would have Scola/Bosh playing together often at the 4/5. Hayes proved to be atleast somewhat capable, moreso if its backup instead of starting. I agree about Andersen, we are too good a team for him to see playing time here next year. An alternative is too move Hill instead of this years pick in the Bosh deal and draft Udoh, Whiteside or Alabi. Bam!
I disagree that they have no real leverage. They have some leverage. That leverage is giving Bosh an extra $30 mil in guaranteed money. Morey has also reiterated several times that he thinks the top FAs will move through SnT rather than straight up signing with another team. So the money does matter. Now, how much it matters, none of us knows. Even Morey likely doesn't know at this point. But I was basically looking at a deal from Toronto's perspective. As in, what would I want if I was Toronto's GM.
When the Sonics agreed to S&T Rashard to the Magic all they got back was a conditional second round pick and a trade exception that was generated.
Morey will be on Channel 2 Sports Sunday tonight at 1030. Supposed to discuss free agency and luis scola
its true they have some leverage. when i said they have no *real* leverage i meant they have no significant leverage, but a small amount. bosh earns $30M more if he lets the raps agree to a S&T, but that doesn't give the raps the ability to negotiate for equal value for bosh. for argument sake lets say bosh wants to sign in houston, but won't agree to a S&T if yao, brooks, or martin won't be here with him. if the raps won't agree to a S&T without getting one of those guys back, then the deal is off. there is their leverage... (this happened before when kobe was almost traded to the bulls. he used his trade veto when the lakers were able to get the bulls to agree to include deng. he didnt want to be traded to a depleted team). now, lets say they move on to the next team... bosh has his list of guys that he wants to play with, if the situation repeats itself it's on to the next team again... after a while the raps will have to lower their asking price if they want to get ANYTHING at all in return. if the raps and bosh can't agree on any S&T deals, then they lose him for nothing and bosh loses out on some extra money. i'm sure the first option for both bosh and the raps is a S&T deal, but its not the only option for bosh. exactly my point. the team losing the star player usually doesn't get anything significant in return.
