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The Myth of the Rockets and 2010 Free Agency

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by BimaThug, May 9, 2009.

  1. BimaThug

    BimaThug Resident Capologist
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    No, it's all personal research. What that says about me is anyone's guess.

    Sorry I can't help you out, man. But if you ever do get a gig in the Rockets organization, I'd love to pick YOUR brain some time. ;)
     
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    Well the fact that you're so highly regarded in Clutchfans makes you a personal deity to me. I've applied on the NBAjobs website for an internship in that field not too long ago and I'm still waiting for a reply. If I can get an interview I wish I could come armed with what you know, lol. Guess that means I've got to do some personal research of my own
     
  3. Rehabstudios

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    So what is the current breakdown of our cap situation? Now the trade has gone down and we have a good idea of what the assests we have collected are worth, where do we sit with our options? When the trade went down everyone said by taking on jj we killed our cap space for the summer. But then I hear DM say thw trade makes us more of a player in the summer. How is that so with the if the deal was a summer cap killer?
     
  4. Cannonball

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    We have roughly $60M in salary next season, including Lowry's qualifying offer but not including Chuck Hayes' team option or Scola who is a RFA. The cap was $57.7 million this season. It's expected to be lower than that next season.
     
  5. saintja2

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    We will be over the cap. (I'm assuming Yao doesn't opt out of his contract)

    We improved our position because we did add talent while still having great flexibility. We have lots of talented guys on cheap contracts and after the trade we now have also more draft picks. These assets can be used in sign&trade scenarios so that itself makes us more of a player.

    We also have the Mid Level Exception to use on free agents. You ONLY get this exception if you are OVER the cap.

    Our main free agents, Scola and Lowry, are (if we so choose) going to be restricted free agents or if they accept the qualifying offer, we'll get them cheap for a year. Or we can just sign them even when we are over the cap because we have their Bird rights. Being restricted FA basically means that we get to match offers from other teams and keep the player. They can also be used in sign&trades but they can't be shipped to just any place without their consent. This especially adds difficulty to sign&trading for Bosh, since Scola wanting to go to Toronto doesn't seem too plausible.

    We also hold the team option on Chuck Hayes. He can possibly be used as a salary filler in trades too, though I would think that they would want to keep him around if the cost isn't too high (luxury tax implications).

    We have over 30M in expiring contracts next year (assuming Yao). That could enable us to trade for a star player who is either unhappy or his team has to trade him for financial reasons.

    Hope this helped to explain some stuff. But you definitely should read this article by BimaThug:
    http://www.clutchfans.net/news/1553/houstons_future_dollars_and_sense/
     
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    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5099980

     
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    REEKO_HTOWN I'm Rich Biiiiaaatch!

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    Paging BimaThug!
     
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    Yep...and check this out.

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/...t-not-as-much-as-expected?tag=headlines;other

    http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/21004897?tag=pageRow;pageContainer

     
  10. Joe Joe

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    I expect it will be good news as the Rockets will have to pay less in luxury taxes next season which the Rockets may use to pay for players with the MLE and LLE such as Brad Miller. If the news was that NY couldn't get 2 max free agents, it would have been great, but that was unlikely.
     
  11. BimaThug

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    Yes and no.

    Yes, it will be good for the Rockets in the sense that Les Alexander will have to pay less in luxury tax than initially anticipated. This should save the Rockets $2-3M and possibly make use of the MLE more likely.

    No, it is bad for the Rockets (indirectly) in the sense that New York has improved its lot this summer and has a better chance to either (a) actually add two max free agents or (b) retain David Lee and still have enough room for one max free agent and another good free agent.

    Still, since the big guys in free agency will still want to go via sign-and-trade, I guess I'd rather have the savings to Les (and, hence, a stronger willingness to spend to improve the team) than worry much about what New York is going to do.
     
  12. rockets934life

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    Bima, a bit off topic but if we do a sign and trade with Scola can other players on the Rox be included in that same deal or will it have to be by himself?
     
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    I believe that a signed-and-traded Scola CAN be included in a package with other players.

    The example of this that I like to use is the four-team megadeal last summer, where the Raptors packaged a signed-and-traded Shawn Marion along with Kris Humphries and Nathan Jawai and sent them to Dallas in exchange for (besides a signed-and-traded Hedo Turkoglu from Orlando) Antoine Wright and Devean George from Dallas.

    Bottom line: I don't think packaging Scola will be a problem FROM A SALARY CAP STANDPOINT. Of course, there are other practical considerations present, like Scola wanting to go to Toronto, or the timing involved with Scola wanting to explore his market value prior to agreeing to any sign-and-trade deal.
     
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    The NBA would try and help the Knicks like this... Just sayin'
     
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    Implications of a 56 million dollar cap??? Bima??? :grin:
     
  16. BimaThug

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    Look up, dude.

    http://bbs.clutchfans.net/showpost.php?p=5250059&postcount=711

    :p

    (Seriously, though, barring some significant draft-day trade, I don't think I'll do a thorough cap update anytime soon, until a major off-season deal goes down or (if no major trades are made) not until late September. There's just little reason to do anything otherwise.)
     
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    Won't Scola being a BYC player complicate things? This would make us have to throw in more salary than another team might want to take on to get within 25% of the salary figures?

    Larry Coon has an interesting article on the effect of the higher salary cap:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=coon_larry&page=capanalysis-100416

    Check out this observation from the article:

    • The Chicago Bulls worked frantically at the trade deadline to create enough cap room to make a run at a player such as Dwyane Wade, sacrificing Tyrus Thomas and John Salmons. The New York Knicks, desperate to unload Jared Jeffries, were forced to relinquish Jordan Hill to persuade the Houston Rockets to assume Jeffries' contract. A substantially higher cap means their sacrifices might have been for naught. The Knicks, for example, might have decided to hang on to Jeffries and Hill had they known the salary cap might be higher than they thought.
     
  18. BimaThug

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    You're right about the Base Year Compensation issue. I forgot to mention that with the other complicating factors in trading Scola. But that doesn't change the fact that the Rockets CAN sign-and-trade Scola in a package with other players. The BYC issue will just limit the cap amount that he will count as towards the trade package. Basically, if Scola gets anywhere near the salary he deserves, including him in a trade package for a guy like Bosh will make a deal MUCH more complicated to pull off.

    Yeah, I read that article by Larry Coon. Good stuff.

    I don't agree, though, that the higher cap would have negated the Knicks' need to dump Jeffries's contract. It might, however, have made it more likely that Walsh would have held onto Jordan Hill. Who knows? Perhaps the Knicks would have forced Morey to accept a 2014 first round pick (or swap rights for 2013 picks) in lieu of taking Hill.

    (By the way, in another article about the meeting in which Stern announced the higher cap projections, it mentioned that Donnie Walsh was present at the meeting to find out whether the Knicks won a tie-breaker (against the Clippers) on where they would be picking in the draft. I found that pretty funny, since (1) the Knicks don't even own their first round pick and (2) the Knicks own both their own and the Clippers' second rounders! The tie-breaker literally made NO difference to the Knicks, unless Walsh wanted to know if Knicks fans would be slightly more pissed off that the Jazz are slotted for the 8th pick instead of the 9th pick.)
     
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    It means cap space for two max free agents and then some for both the Bulls & Heat.

    Rose, (fa: Law)
    (max: Joe Johnson?), Hinrich
    Deng, (fa: Murray)
    (max: Amare/Bosh), Gibson
    Noah, (fa: Miller)

    Chalmers, (fa: Arroyo)
    (re-signed max: Wade), Cook
    Beasley, (fa: Q-Rich)
    (max: Amare/Bosh), (fa: Haslem)
    (fa: O'Neal), (fa: Anthony)
     
  20. BimaThug

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    The Bulls still don't have enough for two max guys. They can get one max guy and will still have plenty left to get another good free agent or two. But not a second max guy.
     

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